AIA Engineering Limited — Q3 FY25 earnings call

Call held 7 Feb 2025

Management summary

AIA Engineering reported a mixed Q3 FY25, with sequential growth in tonnage and PAT but a YoY decline. The company announced a significant strategic pivot towards international manufacturing with new modular plants in China and Ghana, aiming to mitigate freight volatility and improve market access. While the liner business is slower than expected, management remains confident in long-term volume growth and margin stability, expecting a return to predictable growth rates in the coming quarters.

Highlights

  • Q3 FY25 sales tonnage at 65,780 tons, up 9.63% QoQ but down 11.11% YoY.

  • Revenue for Q3 FY25 stood at INR 1,050 crores.

  • EBITDA for Q3 FY25 was INR 354.57 crores.

  • Profit After Tax (PAT) for Q3 FY25 was INR 259.22 crores, a 1.25% QoQ increase but 7.42% YoY decline.

  • Full year FY25 volume guidance maintained at 250,000 to 260,000 tons.

  • Company announced a strategic shift to set up modular grinding media plants outside India, with an estimated total capex of USD 50 million for facilities in China and Ghana.

  • Management expects to return to 25,000-30,000 tons annual incremental volume growth on a rolling basis within 2-3 quarters.

Key financials

  1. Revenue ₹1,050 Cr
  2. EBITDA ₹354.57 Cr
  3. PAT ₹259.22 Cr -7.4%YoY
  4. Sales Tonnage 65,780 tons -11.1%YoY
  5. Realization ₹160/kilo
  6. Total Other Income ₹67.32 Cr

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 12.4%, net profit down 1.3% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue1,044 1,066 1,157 1,039 1,048 +0%1,067 +0%1,266 +9%1,168 +12%
EBITDA276 283 302 306 297 +8%290 +2%363 +20%308 +1%
Net profit256 259 285 305 277 +8%293 +13%393 +38%301 −1%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Order book

low confidence
Management expects to return to predictable annual incremental volume growth in the coming quarters, with no major customer losses.

Source: Inferred

Capital allocation

high confidence
  • Capex ₹515 Cr
    • New modular grinding media plants in China and Ghana $50 Mn
    • Renewable power projects ₹50 Cr
    • Maintenance capex ₹50 Cr
    And the total capex for both plants is currently established at estimated at USD50 million. ... So this year the next coming year, we'll do about -- up to INR50 crores in renewable power. And I think we'll be done with most of the strategy as far as optimizing power cost is concerned, up to INR50 crores in maintenance capex per year. So once you remove that, not more than INR35 crores to INR50 crores of maintenance capex, plus our investment in the 2 plants that we've announced. I think our capex will not be more than that in the near future.
  • Liquidity Liquidity disclosed Cash on the books after buyback proceeds were paid out.
    I think rest of the other numbers remain at par with our working capital, our cash on the block after -- cash on the books after the buyback proceeds were paid out.

Guidance & targets

Volume

  • Full year volume Volume · FY25 · High confidence 250,000 to 260,000 tons
    So with that, our full year volume, which is 187,000 tons for the 9 months, looks to be between 250,000 and 260,000 depending on invoicing, etcetera, is the guidance for the full year.

    — Kunal Shah

  • Annual incremental volume growth Volume · rolling basis, in 2-3 quarters · Medium confidence 25,000 to 30,000 tons
    But over next 2, 3 quarters, it looks like that we should be back on a 25,000, 30,000 ton annual addition on a rolling basis.

    — Kunal Shah

  • Annual incremental volume growth from new mines Volume · rollover basis · Medium confidence 30,000 to 40,000 tons
    So we do expect on a rollover basis, at least 30,000 to 40,000 tons of incremental annual volume growth from conversion from new mines.

    — Sanjay Majmudar

Capacity

  • China plant contribution Capacity · second half of next year · Medium confidence start contributing
    China should start contributing something in the second half of next year.

    — Sanjay Majmudar

  • Ghana plant contribution Capacity · over next 18 months · Medium confidence start contributing
    Ghana should happen over next 18 months, that is how it looks like.

    — Sanjay Majmudar

  • China & Ghana plants total capacity Capacity · long-term · High confidence up to 50,000 tons
    the idea is to go up to 50,000 tons.

    — Kunal Shah

Capex

  • China & Ghana plants total capex Capex · initial phase · High confidence USD 50 million
    And the total capex for both plants is currently established at estimated at USD50 million.

    — Kunal Shah

  • Renewable power capex Capex · this year/next year · High confidence up to INR 50 crores
    So this year the next coming year, we'll do about -- up to INR50 crores in renewable power.

    — Kunal Shah

  • Maintenance capex Capex · per year · High confidence up to INR 50 crores
    And I think we'll be done with most of the strategy as far as optimizing power cost is concerned, up to INR50 crores in maintenance capex per year.

    — Kunal Shah

Margin

  • Operating margins Margin · medium- to long-term basis · Medium confidence better than 21%, 22%
    I personally believe we should do definitely better than 21%, 22% on a medium- to long-term basis.

    — Kunal Shah

Product

  • Rubber composite liner deliveries ramp-up Product · over the next 1 year · Medium confidence ramp up
    Yes, we just started small quantities. They'll ramp up over the next 1 year.

    — Kunal Shah

What to watch in Q4 FY25

Return to predictable volume growth

within 2-3 quarters
Current Q3 FY25 tonnage 65,780 tons, 9M FY25 187,000 tons
Target 25,000-30,000 tons annual incremental addition on a rolling basis

Why it matters

This indicates the company's ability to overcome current headwinds and resume its historical growth trajectory.

But over next 2, 3 quarters, it looks like that we should be back on a 25,000, 30,000 ton annual addition on a rolling basis.

Risks & concerns

  • Volatile freight environment

    medium

    Company has faced 5 years of volatile freight rates, with increases up to 5x, impacting conversion strategy.

    Management acknowledged

  • Fragile global geopolitical environment

    medium

    Ongoing wars and volatile regions affect freight rates and the company's conversion narrative.

    Management acknowledged

  • Slow conversion rates for new mines

    medium

    Despite efforts, conversion rates for new mines remain slow, impacting volume growth.

    Management acknowledged

  • Potential price challenges with increased volumes

    medium

    Management anticipates potential price challenges if there is a significant increase in volumes and conversions.

    Management acknowledged

  • Slower-than-expected ramp-up of liner business

    medium

    The rubber liner business trajectory is slower than anticipated, delaying full utilization.

    Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

4 direct, 1 evasive
Shipping freight rates and volume recovery timeline Direct
But over next 2, 3 quarters, it looks like that we should be back on a 25,000, 30,000 ton annual addition on a rolling basis.

Analysts sought clarity on when the company expects to return to pre-disruption volume growth rates, linking it to easing freight costs.

Asked by Bhoomika

Rationale for China/Ghana plants over larger markets like Chile Partial
We are spoiled for choice in terms of where to go, right? So I think today marks the day where our mindset is changing, our approach to growth is changing. I think just take it with that, right? There will be more plants.

Analyst questioned the choice of new plant locations, prompting management to explain their evolving global strategy and modular approach, hinting at future expansions.

Asked by Bhoomika

Structural shift in margin profile Partial
We do believe that this is helping us through multiple factors, product mix being one of them. Again, why we have been a little more conservative than we should be is because of the fact that we still anticipate that when there is a considerable increase in volumes coming through, increased conversions, there could be price challenges.

Analyst probed if improved margins are sustainable, and management acknowledged current high operating margins but expressed caution regarding potential price challenges with future volume increases.

Asked by Bhoomika

Impact of destocking and timeline for volume recovery Direct
I think at least for one customer, we expect that to come back from the June quarter. Some in March, but mostly in June quarter.

Analyst sought specific timelines for the recovery of volumes impacted by customer destocking, which management addressed with expected return dates for key customers.

Asked by Priyankar Biswas

Global expansion strategy and margin protection compared to competitors like Magotteaux Direct
I will we are plenty conscious of margins. We believe the purpose of business is to create value for the customer and so that we also make a reasonable return on the efforts and resources that we invest inside it. And rest assured that we are mindful and we learn from mistakes that we or our competitors have made. We'll make sure that what we are doing is margin accretive rather than negative.

Analyst challenged the profitability of global expansion given competitor experiences, leading management to emphasize their focus on margin-accretive strategies and learning from past mistakes.

Asked by Priyankar Biswas

Potential impact of US tariffs on China plant Direct
Not really. I mean, U.S. is not may not be the destination country from China. I mean there is -- we're trying to do a few things. And today, it is considering that U.S. may not be the top destination from that plant.

Analyst raised a geopolitical risk concerning the new China plant, which management addressed by clarifying the intended market for that facility.

Asked by Priyankar Biswas

Specifics of China plant location and rationale given supply chain diversification trends Evasive
Like I said, it's a little bit nuts and bolts of strategy. We would like to there is a lot of consideration done on why the plant in China. In our business, it makes sense to go there. I may not be at a liberty to share much more colour on it today or at this time.

Analyst pressed for details on the China plant, but management declined to provide specifics, indicating strategic sensitivity around the decision.

Asked by Yash Nerurkar

Traction and utilization of the rubber liner business Partial
The trajectory -- this is Kunal. The trajectory is a little slower than how we had expected. In fact, there were quite a bit of learnings in terms of how what customers looking at their perception, what is our approach and strategy to go break some of those customers. I think we are delayed with full utilization. I think it will take longer.

Analyst inquired about the performance of the newer liner business, revealing that its ramp-up has been slower than initially anticipated.

Asked by Anupam Gupta

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Detailed narrative

Q3 FY25 Performance Overview

AIA Engineering reported Q3 FY25 sales tonnage of 65,780 tons, marking a 9.63% sequential increase from 60,000 tons in Q2 FY25, though it was an 11.11% decline from 74,000 tons in Q3 FY24. Revenue for the quarter stood at INR 1,050 crores, with an EBITDA of INR 354.57 crores. Profit After Tax (PAT) was INR 259.22 crores, showing a modest 1.25% QoQ growth but a 7.42% YoY decline from approximately INR 280 crores in Q3 FY24. Realization for the quarter was stable at INR 160 per kilo.

Strategic Shift to Global Production

The company announced a significant change in its manufacturing strategy, moving towards setting up production facilities outside India. This includes modular plants in China and Ghana, with a combined capacity of up to 50,000 tons and an estimated total capex of USD 50 million. This shift is driven by the need to mitigate volatile freight environments, improve market access, and reduce shipping transit times. Management expects the China plant to start contributing in the second half of next year, and the Ghana plant within the next 18 months.

Volume Outlook and Growth Trajectory

For the full year FY25, AIA Engineering maintains its volume guidance between 250,000 and 260,000 tons. Management expressed confidence in returning to a predictable growth path, expecting an annual incremental volume addition of 25,000 to 30,000 tons on a rolling basis within the next 2-3 quarters. Sanjay Majmudar further added that they anticipate 30,000 to 40,000 tons of incremental annual volume growth from new mine conversions on a rollover basis, indicating no major customer losses.

Margin Commentary and Outlook

The company reported strong operating margins, in the range of 27-28% excluding treasury and other income, attributing this to factors like product mix. While acknowledging the current robust margins, management remains conservative in its guidance, citing potential price challenges that could arise with a significant increase in volumes and conversions. However, they believe margins should be 'definitely better than 21%, 22% on a medium- to long-term basis'.

Capital Expenditure Plans

Beyond the USD 50 million allocated for the new China and Ghana plants, the company plans to invest up to INR 50 crores in renewable power projects this year and next. Additionally, annual maintenance capex is projected to be up to INR 50 crores. The total capex, including the international plants, renewable power, and maintenance, is expected to be around INR 515 crores for the next fiscal year, with management emphasizing capital efficiency and modular plant designs.

Liner Business Update

The rubber and composite liner business, which added 20,000 tons of capacity in January, has seen a slower-than-expected trajectory. While small quantities have started to be delivered, management anticipates a ramp-up over the next year. Despite the slower start, the liner business remains a strategic offering to provide comprehensive solutions to customers and is considered an important tool for market penetration.

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