The Anup Engineering Limited — Q2 FY25 earnings call

Call held 28 Oct 2024

Management summary

The Anup Engineering Limited delivered its best-ever Q2 FY25 revenue, driven by strong quarter-on-quarter growth across all key financial metrics. The company provided a bullish outlook, targeting 25-30% growth for the next two to three years, supported by ongoing capacity expansions at Kheda and a new exclusive manufacturing collaboration with Graham Corporation. Despite aggressive market competition, a diversified geographical and product mix, particularly in exports, is bolstering the order book and future revenue visibility.

Highlights

  • Standalone Revenue for Q2 FY25 was ₹187.9 crores, a 34% growth quarter-on-quarter.

  • Standalone EBITDA for Q2 FY25 was ₹42.9 crores (22.9% margin), growing 37% quarter-on-quarter.

  • Standalone PAT for Q2 FY25 was ₹32.3 crores (17.2% margin), growing 48% quarter-on-quarter.

  • Consolidated H1 FY25 Revenue reached ₹339.1 crores, marking a 28% year-on-year growth.

  • Consolidated H1 FY25 PAT stood at ₹56.6 crores, an almost 40% year-on-year growth.

  • The pending order book as of the call date was ₹932 crores, with ₹500 crores for FY26.

  • The company guided for 30% growth and an EBITDA margin of around 22% for FY25.

  • Kheda Phase-1 is fully operational, contributing to 24% of product-wise revenue from vessels, reactors, and columns.

Key financials

  1. Standalone Revenue ₹187.9 Cr +34%QoQ
  2. Standalone EBITDA ₹42.9 Cr +37%QoQ
  3. Standalone EBITDA Margin 22.9%
  4. Standalone PAT ₹32.3 Cr +48%QoQ
  5. Consolidated Revenue ₹193.1 Cr +38%QoQ
  6. Consolidated EBITDA ₹43.3 Cr +38%QoQ
  7. Consolidated PAT ₹32.5 Cr +50%QoQ
  8. Consolidated H1 Revenue ₹339.1 Cr +28%YoY
  9. Consolidated H1 EBITDA ₹76.3 Cr +28%YoY
  10. Consolidated H1 PAT ₹56.6 Cr +40%YoY

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue down 30.4%, net profit down 95.7% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue188 171 205 169 233 +24%193 +13%195 −5%118 −30%
EBITDA43 40 46 39 51 +19%43 +5%36 −22%9 −76%
Net profit32 31 29 26 32 −1%25 −21%25 −13%1 −96%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

  • Sectoral Revenue (Q2 FY25)
    61% Oil & Gas and Petrochemicals30% Hydrogen9% Fertilizers and Others
  • Product-wise Revenue (Q2 FY25)
    72% Heat Exchangers24% Vessels, Reactors, Columns4% Others

Guidance & targets

Revenue

  • Revenue Growth Revenue · FY25 · High confidence 30%
    our 30% growth guidance for this financial year

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Revenue Growth Revenue · next two to three years · High confidence 25-30%
    our guidance for the next two to three years remains the same, that we wish to grow at 25% to 30% growth year-on-year in the next two to three years.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Mabel Engineers Turnover Revenue · FY26 · High confidence ₹100 crores
    For 26, as I said, we maintain, Mabel will double the turnover to Rs. 100 crores in FY26.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Graham Collaboration Revenue (Indian market) Revenue · FY26 · Medium confidence ₹30-40 crores
    So, the estimate that we are looking at is anywhere between Rs. 30 crores to Rs. 40 crores kind of revenue that can be brought in FY26. That's only for the Indian market we are looking at.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Total Current Capacity Revenue Potential Revenue · per annum · High confidence ₹1,000 crores
    In terms of the revenue, the current capacity in place, that is, Ahmedabad, Kheda and Mabel, that's good enough for 1,000 crores turnover.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • FY26 Revenue Breakdown Revenue · FY26 · High confidence Ahmedabad ₹600 crores, Kheda ₹300 crores, Mabel ₹100 crores
    So, in FY26, when look at FY26, Ahmedabad facility will be at Rs. 600 crores. Kheda facility next year, because it will have two quarters of the new additional way that they are building in, will be at Rs. 300 crores and Mabel will chip in at Rs. 100 crores. So, that's 600, 300, and 100. And that's the kind of turnover that we are looking at.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

Profitability

  • EBITDA Margin Profitability · FY25 · High confidence 22%
    and with an EBITDA of around 22%.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • EBITDA Margin (Order Book) Profitability · current · High confidence 20-22%
    We are looking at the same margin of 20% plus. So, anywhere in the region of 20%-22% with the EBITDA.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

Capacity

  • Kheda Phase-1 Revenue Capacity Capacity · per annum · High confidence ₹200 crores
    This phase is equipped to deliver Rs. 200 crores revenue per annum.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Kheda Phase II (a) Commissioning Capacity · FY26 · High confidence Q3 FY26
    We expect to commission and start manufacturing from 3rd Quarter in the next financial year, that is FY26.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Kheda Phase II (a) Revenue Capacity Capacity · per annum · High confidence ₹300-400 crores
    With the addition of this day, we will have three manufacturing base at Kheda plant, which can deliver revenue anywhere around Rs. 300 crores to Rs. 400 crore based on the product mix for random.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Ahmedabad Facility Capacity Capacity · per year · High confidence 10,000-12,000 metric tons
    our Ahmedabad facility is completely built up. That has got a capacity of anywhere between 10,000 to 12,000 metric tons per year.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Kheda Facility Capacity (current) Capacity · per year · High confidence 5,000-6,000 metric tons
    Kheda, with this two manufacturing base in place, it has got a capacity of close to about 5,000 to 6,000 metric tons.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Kheda Facility Capacity (with 3rd bay) Capacity · per year (post July next year) · High confidence 8,000-10,000 metric tons
    Kheda with three manufacturing bays, once completed somewhere next July, we should be having a capacity of close to 8,000 to 10,000 metric tons.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Mabel Facility Capacity Capacity · per year · High confidence 2,000 metric tons
    And Mabel, currently with the capacity in place, they have a capacity of 2,000 metric tons.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

Tax Rate

  • Long-run Tax Rate Tax Rate · long run · High confidence 25%
    So, in the long run, we can expect a tax rate of 25%.

    — Management

Capex

  • Kheda Phase II (a) CAPEX Capex · Q2 next year · High confidence ₹40-50 crores
    So, the added bay at Kheda would be at a CAPEX of about 40 to 50 crores, inclusive of the machineries, which we plan to commission in Q2 of next year.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Regular CAPEX Capex · remaining half of the year · High confidence ₹15 crores
    And that would be about 15 crores of regular CAPEX for upgradations of our machines of latest technology.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

  • Next Capacity Addition Decision Capex · Q1 FY27 · High confidence June next year (Q1 FY27)
    So, on the capacity additions, the next decision that we would make is somewhere in the month of June and of quarter one of next year

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

Order Book

  • Pending Order Book Order Book · by March end for next year (FY26) · High confidence ₹900 crores
    So, by March end, we should open up the year, 1st of April with close to about Rs. 900 crores kind of a pending order book, executable in next year.

    — Mr. Reginaldo Dsouza – Managing Director

Risks & concerns

  • Aggressive market competition

    medium

    Management noted 'aggressive market competition' in the domestic sector, especially during interim periods with fewer opportunities, but stated geographical spread helps mitigate this.

    Management acknowledged

  • Geopolitical scenes affecting exports

    medium

    Management expressed caution regarding current geopolitical scenes, stating they are 'very cautious of which countries or which projects we work with' and perform due diligence before picking export projects.

    Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

3 direct
Debtors/Receivables increase and unbilled revenue Direct
That's purely what has happened is there were some equipment meant for exports, where a customer has, since the site is not ready, has asked us to put it on store. So, we have actually stored those equipment in Kheda and it will be delivered somewhere in December end of this year.

Management clarified the significant increase in receivables was due to customer-requested storage of finished goods for export, not collection issues, with an unbilled amount of ₹60-65 crores expected to be dispatched by December.

Asked by Chetan Vora

Capacity utilization and future revenue targets Direct
So, in FY26, when look at FY26, Ahmedabad facility will be at Rs. 600 crores. Kheda facility next year, because it will have two quarters of the new additional way that they are building in, will be at Rs. 300 crores and Mabel will chip in at Rs. 100 crores. So, that's 600, 300, and 100. And that's the kind of turnover that we are looking at.

Management provided a clear, facility-wise breakdown of how the company plans to achieve its ₹1000 crore revenue target for FY26, directly addressing concerns about capacity utilization and future growth drivers.

Asked by Jaiveer Shekhawat

Graham Corporation collaboration and its impact Direct
It's a US based Company where Anup becomes the exclusive manufacturer for their products... we get the first chance for refusals and more certain volume of work in the year... the estimate that we are looking at is anywhere between Rs. 30 crores to Rs. 40 crores kind of revenue that can be brought in FY26.

This Q&A detailed a new strategic partnership, outlining its financial contribution (₹30-40 crores in FY26 from Indian market), the nature of the exclusive manufacturing agreement (no royalty, similar margins), and its role in securing future order flow.

Asked by Vikram

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Detailed narrative

Record Q2 FY25 Performance and Robust H1 Growth

The Anup Engineering Limited reported its best-ever Q2 FY25 revenue, with standalone revenue reaching ₹187.9 crores, a 34% quarter-on-quarter increase. Standalone EBITDA grew 37% QoQ to ₹42.9 crores (22.9% margin), and PAT surged 48% QoQ to ₹32.3 crores (17.2% margin). On a consolidated basis, H1 FY25 revenue was ₹339.1 crores, up 28% year-on-year, with PAT growing almost 40% YoY to ₹56.6 crores, demonstrating strong operational performance.

Strategic Capacity Expansion and Future Revenue Targets

The company is actively expanding its manufacturing capabilities. Kheda Phase-1, with two bays, is fully operational and capable of generating ₹200 crores in annual revenue. Construction for Kheda Phase II (a) has commenced, with commissioning expected in Q3 FY26, adding capacity for ₹300-400 crores in revenue. Management outlined a clear path to ₹1000 crores turnover for FY26, projecting ₹600 crores from Ahmedabad, ₹300 crores from Kheda (including the new bay), and ₹100 crores from Mabel Engineers.

Diversified Revenue Streams and Product Mix

The revenue mix for Q2 FY25 showed strong diversification, with oil and gas/petrochemicals contributing 61%, hydrogen 30%, and fertilizers/others 9%. Product-wise, heat exchangers accounted for 72% of revenue, while vessels, reactors, and columns (primarily from Kheda) contributed 24%. This strategic diversification across sectors and products, with heat exchangers focused in Ahmedabad and larger equipment in Kheda, is a key growth driver.

Graham Corporation Collaboration and Export Focus

Anup Engineering has signed an exclusive manufacturing agreement with Graham Corporation, USA, a pioneer in heat transfer and vacuum systems. This collaboration positions Anup as the exclusive manufacturer for Graham's global projects, providing a 'first chance for refusal' and more certain volume. The partnership is expected to contribute ₹30-40 crores in revenue from the Indian market alone in FY26, with similar margins to their core business, further strengthening their export-led growth strategy.

Robust Order Book and Inquiry Pipeline

The company's pending order book stood at ₹882 crores at the end of September, increasing to ₹932 crores as of the call date, with approximately 68% from exports. Management anticipates an order book of around ₹900 crores for FY26 by March end. The inquiry pipeline remains healthy at ₹900-1000 crores, largely fueled by export opportunities, providing strong visibility for future revenue conversion.

Working Capital Management and Tax Rate Dynamics

The increase in receivables from ₹127 crores in March '24 to ₹230 crores in September '24 was attributed to ₹60-65 crores of unbilled revenue for export equipment stored at Kheda due to customer site readiness issues, expected to be dispatched by December. The lower tax rate in Q2 was due to a significant exercise of ESOPs (1,01,500 units), with management expecting a normalized tax rate of 25% in the long run.

Sustainability Initiatives and Future Outlook

Anup Engineering is committed to sustainability, with 60% of Ahmedabad plant's power from renewable sources. This is expected to increase to 75% for total power requirements once the Kheda rooftop solar project is completed this quarter. The company maintains a bullish outlook, guiding for 25-30% year-on-year growth for the next two to three years and an EBITDA margin of around 20-22% for its order book.

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