Bansal Wire Industries Limited — Q2 FY25 earnings call

Call held 12 Nov 2024

Management summary

Bansal Wire Industries Limited delivered strong financial results for Q2 and H1 FY25, marked by significant year-on-year growth in revenue, EBITDA, and net profit, primarily driven by margin expansion and initial contributions from the Dadri facility. The company is progressing with its capacity expansion to 6 lakh tons and the consolidation of group entities, which are expected to further boost volumes and absolute EBITDA in the second half of the fiscal year, alongside the launch of high-margin specialty wire products.

Highlights

  • Q2 FY25 Revenue of ₹825.45 crores, up 36.8% YoY.

  • Q2 FY25 EBITDA of ₹68.1 crores, up 78.9% YoY.

  • Q2 FY25 Net Profit After Tax (PAT) of ₹40.06 crores, up 120.8% YoY.

  • Q2 FY25 EBITDA Margin expanded by 192 basis points YoY.

  • H1 FY25 Revenue of ₹1,642.36 crores, up 42.7% YoY.

  • H1 FY25 Net Profit of ₹71.57 crores, up 101.9% YoY.

  • Debt-equity ratio as of September 30, 2024, was 0.21 times.

  • Q2 FY25 volume was approximately 80,000 tons (30k high carbon, 27k low carbon, 21-22k stainless-steel).

Key financials

3 periods

Headline

  • Debt-Equity Ratio (Sep 30, 2024)
    0.21×

Q2 FY25

  • Revenue
    ₹825.45 Cr
    YoY +36.8%
  • EBITDA
    ₹68.1 Cr
    YoY +78.9%
  • PAT
    ₹40.06 Cr
    YoY +120.8%
  • EBITDA Margin
    8.3%
  • PAT Margin
    4.8%

H1 FY25

  • Revenue
    ₹1,642.36 Cr
    YoY +42.7%
  • EBITDA
    ₹130.35 Cr
    YoY +99.2%
  • PAT
    ₹71.57 Cr
    YoY +101.9%
  • EBITDA Margin
    7.9%
  • PAT Margin
    4.4%

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 24.4%, net profit down 48.7% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue825 925 940 939 1,055 +28%1,029 +11%1,136 +21%1,168 +24%
EBITDA64 72 70 72 77 +20%85 +18%76 +9%56 −22%
Net profit40 42 33 39 38 −5%43 +2%40 +21%20 −49%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Capacity

  • Total Production Capacity Capacity · within stipulated timeframe · High confidence 600,000 tons
    a significant step towards expanding our total production capacity to 600,000 tons and we are firmly on track to fully operationalize this facility within the stipulated timeframe

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Dadri Facility Utilization

  • Capacity Utilization Dadri Facility Utilization · by end of this financial year · High confidence 100%
    by end of this year, we will have 100% of capacity available for us to sell.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Volume Growth

  • Top Line Growth Volume Growth · H2 FY25 · Medium confidence good growth
    Second half of this year, we are looking at major volume expansion. Therefore, you will see a good growth in top line.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Profitability

  • EBITDA Profitability · H2 FY25 (Q3 and Q4) · Medium confidence some improvement
    As far as EBITDA and profitability goes, it depends on the market scenario, but we are looking at some improvement here as well.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Specialty Wire (Lead Wire)

  • Commissioning Specialty Wire (Lead Wire) · November 2024 (this month) · High confidence One line fully commissioned
    In fact, this month, we are expecting one line of lead wire to be commissioned fully

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Specialty Wire (Steel Cord)

  • Commissioning Specialty Wire (Steel Cord) · December 2024 (next month) · High confidence Other line commissioned
    and the next month, the other line of steel cord also to be commissioned

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Specialty Wire (Hose Wire)

  • Production and Sales Specialty Wire (Hose Wire) · Q4 FY25 · High confidence Some production and sales
    From the last quarter of this year, we should be seeing some production and some sales happening there

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Specialty Wire (Bead Wire)

  • Annual Capacity Operationalization Specialty Wire (Bead Wire) · November 2024 (within this month) · High confidence 30,000 tons
    Bead wire we are adding about 30,000 tons annual capacity which will be completely operationalized within this month.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Consolidation

  • Sales from Balaji and Bansal High Carbon Consolidation · by end of Q3 FY25 · High confidence Almost zero
    We are expecting by the end of third quarter, the sale from Balaji and Bansal High Carbon will be almost zero.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

  • Volumes and Revenue from Balaji and Bansal High Carbon Consolidation · Q3 FY25 · High confidence Almost all volumes and revenue
    in Quarter 3, we are looking at almost all volumes and revenue from Balaji and Bansal High Carbon to come into Bansal Wire.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Total Capacity

  • Total Capacity Total Capacity · by end of FY25 · High confidence 6 lakh tons

    From 2.5 lakh tons today

    6 lakh tons. So, the starting of this year we started with 2.5 lakh tons and we will end with 6 lakh tons.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

EBITDA Growth

  • Absolute EBITDA Increase EBITDA Growth · FY25 (vs FY24) · Low confidence 80%
    Okay, and hence you say that 80% increase in EBITDA, you expect that to happen? ... Yeah, I will have to get back to you on the 80%, but yes, we see a good growth.

    — Pranav Bansal, MD and CEO

Risks & concerns

  • Inconsistent statements on volume, revenue, and margin dynamics

    medium

    Management provided conflicting information regarding Q2 volume/revenue growth and the impact of steel prices on margins, leading to confusion about the underlying business performance.

    Analyst deflected

  • Uncertainty or hedging on previously stated specific financial targets

    medium

    Management backtracked on the 80% absolute EBITDA growth target for FY25, stating they would 'have to get back' on the specific number, implying a potential revision or lack of firm commitment.

    Analyst hedged

  • Lack of readily available basic comparative financial data during Q&A

    low

    Management could not provide Q2 last year's numbers or Q2 segment-wise EBITDA per ton figures when asked by analysts, hindering direct comparisons.

    Analyst not addressed

  • Geopolitical situation impacting export growth

    low

    Export growth has been subdued in the last two years due to geopolitical situations, although momentum is now improving.

    Management acknowledged

Areas of evasion (4)

  • QoQ volume/revenue/margin dynamics
  • specific FY24 Q2 numbers
  • Q2 segment-wise EBITDA per ton
  • firm commitment to 80% EBITDA growth target

Q&A highlights

2 direct, 1 evasive
Volume breakdown and its impact on margins for Q2 FY25 Direct
On the volume front, we did about 80,000 tons this quarter, in which high carbon was about 30,000 tons, low carbon was 27,000 tons and stainless-steel was around 21,000 tons. In high carbon, we were able to increase about 10% from last quarter itself, which is the main reason why our EBITDA margin has also increased.

Provides granular detail on product mix and its direct link to margin improvement, a key driver for the quarter's profitability.

Asked by Aditya Bhartia

Progress and timeline for consolidation of group entities and Dadri facility ramp-up Direct
In the last quarter, we have done 100% acquisition of Bansal Steel and Power and by the end of last quarter itself, we have done almost 100% consolidation of Bansal High Carbon and Balaji. Therefore, from this quarter onwards, we already have most of the numbers of Balaji and Bansal High Carbon with us.

Clarifies the progress and timeline for significant structural changes (acquisitions and operationalization of new capacity) that will materially impact future financial reporting and performance.

Asked by Aditya Bhartia

Confirmation and confidence in the previously stated 80% absolute EBITDA growth target for FY25 Evasive
Okay, and hence you say that 80% increase in EBITDA, you expect that to happen? ... Yeah, I will have to get back to you on the 80%, but yes, we see a good growth.

Management hedged on a previously stated specific and ambitious EBITDA growth target, indicating potential uncertainty or a revision in outlook, which is a key signal for investors.

Asked by Rahil Shah

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Detailed narrative

Strong Q2 & H1 FY25 Financial Performance

Bansal Wire Industries Limited reported robust financial results for Q2 FY25, with revenue growing 36.8% YoY to ₹825.45 crores. EBITDA saw an even stronger increase of 78.9% YoY to ₹68.1 crores, leading to a 192 basis points expansion in EBITDA margin. Net Profit after Tax surged by 120.8% YoY to ₹40.06 crores, with PAT margin expanding by 183 basis points. The first half of FY25 also demonstrated significant growth, with revenue up 42.7% to ₹1,642.36 crores and net profit jumping 101.9% to ₹71.57 crores.

Strategic Capacity Expansion at Dadri Facility

The company is actively ramping up its Dadri facility, which contributed 2,000 tons in Q1 and 6,000-7,000 tons in Q2. This facility was already operating at close to 20% capacity utilization by the end of Q2 FY25. Management aims to fully operationalize the entire 3.5 lakh tons capacity within this financial year, bringing the total company capacity from 2.5 lakh tons at the start of the year to 6 lakh tons by year-end.

Consolidation of Group Entities Progress

Bansal Wire has completed the 100% acquisition of Bansal Steel and Power and almost 100% consolidation of Bansal High Carbon and Balaji by the end of Q2 FY25. Management expects almost all volumes and revenue from Balaji and Bansal High Carbon to be integrated into Bansal Wire in Q3 FY25, with their standalone sales becoming almost zero by the end of Q3. This consolidation is projected to significantly contribute to absolute EBITDA, with Bansal Steel and Power alone contributing approximately ₹60 crores in EBITDA last year.

Launch of High-Margin Specialty Wire Vertical

The company is on track to launch its fourth vertical, Specialty Wire, starting in Q3 FY25. One line of lead wire is expected to be fully commissioned in November 2024, followed by the steel cord line in December 2024. While steel cord approvals will take 1-1.5 years, production and sales of the hose wire by-product are anticipated to begin in Q4 FY25, with a 30,000 tons annual bead wire capacity becoming operational in November 2024. Specialty Wire products like steel cord and lead wire are highlighted as 'much higher margin businesses' compared to existing segments.

Product Mix and Raw Material Dynamics

Q2 FY25 volumes totaled 80,000 tons, comprising 30,000 tons of high carbon, 27,000 tons of mild steel, and 21,000-22,000 tons of stainless steel. The 10% increase in high carbon volume from the previous quarter was cited as a key driver for improved EBITDA margins. Management noted that a decrease in steel prices during the quarter helped maintain EBITDA despite some stock losses, emphasizing their natural hedge business model where orders are booked simultaneously with raw material purchases at fixed prices.

Export Performance and Domestic Focus

Exports accounted for approximately 10% of the company's sales in the last quarter. While export growth has been subdued in the past two years due to geopolitical situations, management noted improving momentum. The business model primarily focuses on the domestic market, though exports historically grew at around 100% annually before the recent slowdown, and the company anticipates good traction going forward.

Backward Integration in Stainless-Steel Rods

Bansal Wire has formed a new subsidiary, Bansal BWI Steels, for backward integration into stainless-steel rods. The company is actively seeking land parcels in Rajasthan and Ahmedabad, aiming to finalize a location between November and December. Discussions are also underway with vendors for long lead items, such as rolling mills, which typically require 12-15 months for delivery, as the company prioritizes speeding up the entire process.

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