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    Bharat Forge

    BHARATFORG
    Automobile and Auto Components·12 Feb 2025
    Management Summary

    Bharat Forge reported a mixed Q3 FY25, with strong performance from its Indian entities, particularly JSA and resilient standalone operations, driving consolidated EBITDA and PBT growth for the nine months. However, overseas operations faced significant headwinds from weak demand and utilization, leading to disappointing results. The company is strategically investing in new growth verticals like aerospace and ferrous castings, while navigating global uncertainties and a potential slowdown in Indian industrial CAPEX.

    Highlights

    5
    • New business verticals (casting, aerospace) performing well and expected to continue growth.

    • Ferrous casting space shows excellent customer traction, targeting Rs. 1,000 crores annualized run rate within 6-8 quarters with margin expansion of 250-300 bps.

    • Standalone and defense businesses displayed resilient performance, with standalone operational profitability holding up at 28.1% range.

    • JSA (Indian subsidiary) registered strong performance with 20% revenue growth to Rs. 166 crores and 50 bps margin improvement to almost 14% in Q3.

    • Consolidated balance sheet remains robust with ROCE of 16.5% and net debt to equity improving to 0.36x due to QIP funds deployment.

    Concerns

    4
    • Overseas operations (Europe and US) were disappointing due to weak demand and utilization, with European operations posting only Rs. 10 crores EBITDA and US operations reducing losses to Rs. 6 crores in Q3.

    • Uncertainty regarding global policy, geopolitical issues, new government policies, and a 'rethink on the full electrification bandwagon' impacting the automotive sector.

    • Defense business performance can be lumpy due to contractual timelines, despite a strong order book.

    • Indian CAPEX momentum slowing down in infrastructure and industrial sectors could impact industrial business in the near-term.

    What Changed2

    vs Q4 FY25

    Guidance items7 → 13 (+6)Risks discussed3 → 5 (+2)
    Key financials

    Metrics

    8

    Periods

    2

    Headline

    3
    • Standalone Revenue
      ₹2,096 Cr
      YoY-7.0%
    • Standalone Operating Margin
      28.1%
    • Net Debt to Equity
      0.36 ratio

    9M

    5
    • Consolidated Revenue
      ₹11,270 Cr
      YoY-2%
    • Consolidated EBITDA
      ₹2,087 Cr
      YoY+9.1%
    • Consolidated PBT
      ₹1,224 Cr
      YoY+50%
    • Consolidated EBITDA Margin
      18.5%
    • Consolidated ROCE
      16.5%

    Segment breakdown

    JSA (Indian Subsidiary)
    ₹166 Cr Revenue14% Margins
    Defense Business
    ₹337 Cr Q3 Revenue₹1,488 Cr 9M Revenue
    European Operations
    ₹10 Cr EBITDA
    US Operations
    ₹6 Cr EBITDA Loss
    List

    Order Book

    high confidence

    Total Value

    ₹ 5,700 crores

    as of 2024-12-31

    quantified

    Inflow this qtr

    ₹ 100 crores

    Execution

    governed by contractual timelines, leading to lumpiness; for ATAGS series deliveries, 15-18 months from now

    Composition

    New Business Wins (April-Dec)(other)
    ₹ 2,616 crores

    "Order book does not include any potential orders from domestic or export markets; execution is lumpy due to contractual timelines."

    Source:
    Prepared remarks

    Capital allocation

    3
    high confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    Capex

    ₹300 crores

    Debt

    Debt disclosed

    Liquidity

    Liquidity disclosed

    Balance sheet continues to remain strong with ROCE and RoNW improving amongst strong liquidity positions.

    Guidance & targets

    13
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Volume
    Ferrous Casting Annualized Run Rate
    Rs. 1,000 crores
    High
    Volume
    India CV Outlook Q4 FY25
    slightly better than Q3
    Medium
    Volume
    India CV Outlook FY26
    more or less flat
    Medium
    Volume
    North American CV Market Growth
    10% growth
    Medium
    Profitability
    Ferrous Casting Margins
    increase by at least 250-300 basis points
    High
    Revenue
    Defense Business Annual Growth
    close to 40% growth Y-o-Y
    Medium
    Revenue
    Aerospace Revenues
    triple-digits per quarter
    High
    Revenue
    Aerospace Business Potential
    USD 100 million going towards USD 150 million, and. 200 million
    Medium
    Revenue
    Nuclear Segment Annual Revenue
    Rs. 50-100 crores
    High
    Capacity
    Aerospace New Facility Operational
    operational
    High
    Capacity
    India Nuclear Power Installed Base
    more than triple
    Medium
    Capex
    Standalone CAPEX
    Rs. 300 odd crores
    High
    Capex
    Subsidiaries CAPEX
    Rs. 200-250 crores at the most
    High

    Overseas Subsidy Restructuring Plan

    within 6 months
    CurrentUnder thorough review
    TargetConcrete way forward

    Why it matters

    Clarity on the future of loss-making overseas operations is crucial for overall profitability.

    And within six months, we will have a concrete way forward.

    How to verify

    qa_highlights[topic='Overseas subsidiaries performance and restructuring']

    Risks & concerns

    5
    RiskSeverity

    Weak demand and utilization in overseas operations (Europe and US)

    European operations posted only Rs. 10 crores EBITDA, US operations reduced losses to Rs. 6 crores in Q3 due to 'anemic demand' and customer-specific weakness.Management acknowledged

    high

    Uncertainty in global policy and geopolitical issues

    New governments making new policies and geopolitical issues create an unpredictable environment, requiring a 'wait and watch' approach.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Rethink on full electrification bandwagon and EV transition

    OEMs are retooling for hybrid and full ICE platforms, indicating a shift from pure EV focus, though Bharat Forge's aluminum forging is agnostic to powertrain.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Lumpy nature of defense business revenue recognition

    Translation of order books to revenues is governed by contractual timelines, causing quarter-over-quarter lumpiness despite a strong order book.Management acknowledged

    low

    CAPEX momentum slowing down in Indian industrial sectors

    Slowdown in infrastructure and new capital formation (power plants, water projects) could impact industrial business in the near-term.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “So, in a very simple way, let me answer. Right now, there is a lot of uncertainty about policy, about what is going to be the way forward, is it a global world, is it a regional world? So, like I said, we are undertaking a thorough review of our manufacturing footprint. And within six months, we will have a concrete way forward.”

    Analyst pressed on the challenging environment and potential restructuring of overseas subs, with management indicating a 6-month timeline for clarity.

    asked by Gunjan Prithyani

    2 min read5 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Q3 FY25 Performance Overview

    Bharat Forge reported a soft Q3 FY25 standalone performance with revenue at Rs. 2,096 crores, a 7% decline year-on-year, primarily due to challenging demand conditions in underlying markets. Despite the revenue dip, standalone margins remained stable at approximately 28.1%. For the nine months ended December 31, 2024, consolidated revenues were Rs. 11,270 crores, a 2% decrease year-on-year, while consolidated EBITDA grew 9.1% to Rs. 2,087 crores, and PBT increased by 50% to Rs. 1,224 crores, driven largely by Indian entities.

    02

    Overseas Operations Challenges

    The company's overseas operations were a point of disappointment, particularly in Europe and the US. European operations recorded a modest EBITDA of Rs. 10 crores in Q3, impacted by 'anemic demand' in both Commercial Vehicles (CV) and Passenger Vehicles (PV) exports. US operations managed to reduce their EBITDA losses to Rs. 6 crores for the quarter. Management indicated a thorough review of its manufacturing footprint and expects to provide a concrete way forward for these operations within six months, acknowledging the current uncertainty in global policies and demand.

    03

    Growth Drivers: Ferrous Casting, Aerospace, and Defense

    New business verticals are showing strong traction. The ferrous casting space is expected to achieve an annualized run rate of Rs. 1,000 crores within 6-8 quarters, with margins projected to increase by 250-300 basis points in the next two years. Aerospace revenues, currently at Rs. 50-60 crores per quarter, are anticipated to reach triple-digits per quarter by next year, with new investments approved for machining landing gear components and ring mill manufacturing. The defense business posted Rs. 337 crores in Q3 revenue, with an executable order book of Rs. 5,700 crores as of December 31, 2024, and is expected to grow close to 40% year-on-year on an annual basis.

    04

    Capital Allocation and Balance Sheet Strength

    The consolidated balance sheet remains robust, with ROCE at 16.5% as of December 2024. Leverage has decreased, and net debt to equity improved to 0.36x, primarily due to the deployment of QIP funds to pay down debt. For FY26, standalone CAPEX is projected to be around Rs. 300 crores, with an additional Rs. 200-250 crores for Indian subsidiaries, totaling approximately Rs. 500-550 crores for consolidated CAPEX. These investments are directed towards new aerospace facilities and other growth initiatives.

    05

    Market Outlook and Regulatory Environment

    The company expects Q4 FY25 for India CV to be slightly better than Q3, with FY26 projected to be more or less flat. The North American CV market is anticipated to see 10% growth in the second half of FY26. Management noted a 'rethink on the full electrification bandwagon' by OEMs, with a shift towards hybrid and ICE platforms, though Bharat Forge's aluminum forging business remains agnostic to powertrain types. Concerns were raised about slowing CAPEX momentum in Indian infrastructure and industrial sectors, potentially impacting near-term industrial business.

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