Dhani Services — Q4 FY22 earnings call

Call held 31 May 2022

Management summary

Dhani Services reported an 8% increase in FY22 revenue to ₹1465 crores, but net losses widened significantly to ₹860 crores as the company ramped up its digital businesses. The company is undergoing a strategic shift in its business model, moving its credit product from a monthly subscription to an annual membership fee, and its e-commerce platform to a marketplace model. Management emphasized focusing on monetizing its existing 5 crore+ customer base and operating in a capital-efficient manner, while acknowledging the early stages of these new models.

Highlights

  • FY22 Revenue recorded at ₹1465 crores, an 8% YoY growth from ₹1363 crores in the prior year.

  • Profit after tax for FY22 was a negative ₹860 crores, significantly wider than the negative ₹230 crores in the prior year.

  • Legacy loan book reduced to ₹2199 crores as of March 31, 2022, down from ₹4160 crores in the prior year end.

  • Active paid customer base stood at 61 lakhs as of March 31, 2022, with 78 lakhs total paid individual customers in FY22.

  • Company maintains a healthy balance sheet with over ₹1550 crores in cash and liquid investments, a CRAR of 63.9%, and a net worth of ₹5271 crores.

  • Transitioning from a monthly subscription credit product to a one-time annual membership fee model for credit access up to ₹50,000.

  • E-commerce shifting from an inventory-based model to a marketplace model with over 10 lakh products in 100+ categories.

Concerns

  • Regulatory landscape changes impacting credit product model

  • Significant widening of net losses

  • Investor dissatisfaction and stock price decline

Key financials

3 periods

Headline

  • Legacy Loan Book
    ₹2,199 Cr
  • Cash & Liquid Investments
    ₹1,550 Cr
  • CRAR
    63.9%
  • Net Worth
    ₹5,271 Cr

FY21

  • Revenue
    ₹1,363 Cr
  • Profit After Tax
    ₹-230 Cr

FY22

  • Revenue
    ₹1,465 Cr
    YoY +8%
  • Profit After Tax
    ₹-860 Cr

What they filed

Q1 FY26: revenue down 20.0%, net profit up 107.9% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY24Q3 FY24Q4 FY24Q1 FY25Q2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26
Revenue99 87 118 107 103 +4%95 +9%90 −24%86 −20%
EBITDA-64 -71 -56 -58 23 +136%38 +153%-14 +75%23 +139%
Net profit-105 -89 -85 -83 4 +104%5 +106%6 +107%7 +108%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Profitability

  • Commission from suppliers Profitability · ongoing · High confidence up to 10%
    objective is to ultimately make up to 10%. commission from our suppliers and in products where we provide credit to our customers, the objective would be to go higher than this 10%.

    — Nikhil Chari

Debt

  • Legacy loan book runoff Debt · next 18 months · Medium confidence 18 months
    the revenue loan book today, which is standing at about 2200 crores, we expect the same to runoff in the course of next 18 months or so

    — Nikhil Chari

Expenses

  • Other expenses Expenses · going forward · Medium confidence significantly lower
    the other expenses for the company were at Rs.640 crores. But this of course, includes, customer acquisition cost, et cetera going forward we will be significantly lower

    — Pinank Shah

Headcount

  • Employee benefit expense Headcount · this fiscal year · Medium confidence rationalized
    the employee benefit expense, has been higher because of the scale up which the company has been going through, and it will get rationalized through the course of this fiscal year.

    — Pinank Shah

Risks & concerns

  • Regulatory landscape changes impacting credit product model

    high

    Evolving regulatory landscape led to a shift from monthly subscription to a one-time annual membership fee for the credit product.

    Management acknowledged

  • Significant widening of net losses

    high

    Profit after tax for FY22 was negative ₹860 crores, compared to negative ₹230 crores in the prior year, as digital businesses ramped up.

    Management acknowledged

  • Investor dissatisfaction and stock price decline

    high

    Multiple analysts raised concerns about the significant drop in stock price and the destruction of investor wealth.

    Analyst acknowledged

  • Competition in the e-commerce marketplace

    medium

    Analysts questioned Dhani's ability to compete with established players like Amazon and Flipkart in the e-commerce space.

    Analyst acknowledged

  • Reputational damage from past issues

    medium

    Concerns raised about 'privilege YouTube videos' and news reports regarding phone numbers being used for booking loans, impacting brand image.

    Analyst acknowledged

  • Uncertainty regarding profitability timeline

    medium

    Management stated it was 'too early to say' when the company would become cash flow positive, deferring clarity to future quarters.

    Analyst not addressed

Areas of evasion (4)

  • Specific timeline for profitability/cash flow positive
  • Detailed breakdown of 'other expenses'
  • Value unlocking plans for shareholders in the short term
  • GMV targets for the new marketplace model

Q&A highlights

0 direct
Clarity on business strategy and 'Super App' concept Partial
No, it's not a super app and, I would also say that we're going after a pretty good customer base in a pretty targeted and sharp manner... our target market is more the tier two, tier three. And that's where we are seeing our customer base to come from as well. And very sharp price points for unbranded and lesser known brands.

An analyst challenged the company's multi-faceted approach as a 'hotchpotch', prompting management to clarify its focus on a specific tier 2/3 market segment with credit-enabled e-commerce.

Asked by Raj, Individual Investor

Governance and lack of communication amidst stock price decline Partial
for any disclosures which we have been making, from time-to-time at a appropriate moment has been a continuous engagement from the company side including the engagement which we are having on this particular earnings call. So, we've also transparently explained the kind of business model, which we're looking to conduct, et cetera. Other than that, share price, et cetera to be honest, we will not be able to comment that's an independent separate question.

An analyst directly questioned the management's silence and lack of public communication despite an 80% stock price drop, highlighting investor frustration and governance concerns.

Asked by Ronak Mantri, Marsh McLennan

Viability of e-commerce against large competitors and investor wealth destruction Partial
our target segment is quite sharp in terms of where in the economic segment and the geographic segment that we're focusing on and consequently we've aligned our supplier base and the product portfolio in-line with in terms of these being the lesser known brands and the unknown brands at very sharp price point. And this is something, that while the signs are very early but we are seeing traction in terms of with this approach and so, this is what the approach for us is going to be going forward and in terms of the differentiation compared to the other marketplaces.

A long-term investor expressed deep disappointment over significant wealth loss and skepticism about Dhani's ability to compete in e-commerce, forcing management to reiterate its niche strategy and differentiation.

Asked by Vivek Kanda, Individual Investor

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Detailed narrative

Strategic Business Model Transformation

Dhani Services is undergoing a significant strategic pivot. For its credit product, the company is moving away from a monthly subscription model to a one-time upfront annual membership fee, allowing access to a credit facility of up to ₹50,000. This change is driven by the evolving regulatory landscape. Concurrently, the e-commerce platform is transitioning from an inventory-based model focused on select categories to a marketplace model, onboarding third-party suppliers to offer over 10 lakh products across 100+ categories. This aims to increase customer engagement and wallet share in a capital-efficient manner.

Financial Performance for FY22

For the full financial year 2022, Dhani Services reported revenues of ₹1465 crores, an 8% increase compared to ₹1363 crores in the prior year. However, the company's profit after tax for the year was a negative ₹860 crores, a substantial widening from the negative ₹230 crores recorded in the previous year, attributed to the ramp-up of digital businesses. The legacy loan book continued its rundown, standing at ₹2199 crores as of March 31, 2022, down from ₹4160 crores at the prior year-end. The company maintains a strong balance sheet with over ₹1550 crores in cash and liquid investments, a CRAR of 63.9%, and a net worth of ₹5271 crores.

Customer Base and Engagement

Dhani Services has built a substantial customer base, catering to more than 5.2 crore customers since launching its digital businesses. In the last year, the company acquired 78 lakhs paid individual customers across its credit and e-commerce segments. As of March 31, 2022, the active paid customer base stood at 61 lakhs. Management indicated a focus on monetizing this existing customer base, noting a new user ratio of approximately 35% to 40% from this base for orders on the store. The new model aims to increase customer engagement and stickiness by offering credit for purchases on the Dhani store itself.

Regulatory Compliance and Product Evolution

The company addressed the evolving regulatory landscape, particularly concerning RBI guidelines for card-like products. The shift from a monthly subscription to an annual membership fee for the credit facility is a direct response to align with regulatory guidance. Management clarified that their revised product construct, which allows customers to use a credit limit for purchases on the Dhani store, is compliant and does not require new RBI approval. They emphasized that the engagement with the regulator on these matters has been concluded, with new additions made to their product.

Cost Rationalization and Operational Efficiency

Dhani Services is actively rationalizing its expenses, with a particular focus on customer acquisition costs, which are expected to be significantly lower going forward after a large push in the last 12-18 months. The employee count has been reduced from approximately 23,000 to around 18,000, and employee benefit expenses are expected to be rationalized through the current fiscal year. The company aims for a capital-efficient growth model, particularly with the marketplace approach, which generates commission revenue from suppliers and minimizes money tied up in inventory.

Investor Concerns and Outlook

Investors expressed significant concerns regarding the substantial decline in stock price, the widening losses, and the lack of clear timelines for profitability. Management acknowledged the feedback and reiterated their commitment to building the franchise and enhancing investor value. While specific financial guidance for the new models was not provided, citing 'early days,' they expressed optimism about seeing traction in the coming quarters. The company aims to achieve up to 10% commission from suppliers and expects the legacy loan book to run off in the next 18 months.

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