E2E Networks Limited — Q1 FY25 earnings call

Call held 19 Jul 2024

Management summary

E2E Networks reported robust financial performance in Q1 FY25, driven by significant growth in its cloud GPU business, particularly for AI/ML workloads. The company highlighted its strategic focus on software platform development and high-density GPU compute, which is contributing to margin expansion. Management also discussed the substantial market opportunity in India for cloud GPU and its ongoing efforts to expand capacity and customer base, including international traction.

Highlights

  • Revenue from operations grew 112% YoY to ₹41.7 crores.

  • EBITDA increased 168% YoY to ₹27.4 crores.

  • EBITDA margin expanded by 1403 bps YoY to 66.34%.

  • PAT rose 44% YoY to ₹10.1 crores, with a PAT margin of 24.46%.

  • Diluted EPS was ₹6.75, up 42% YoY.

  • Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR) for June was ₹14.5 crores, with 90-95% utilization of H100 units.

  • The company is acquiring another 256 H100 units to go live in the current quarter (Q2 FY25).

Key financials

  1. Revenue from Operations ₹41.7 Cr +112%YoY
  2. EBITDA ₹27.4 Cr +168%YoY
  3. EBITDA Margin 66.3%
  4. PAT ₹10.1 Cr +44%YoY
  5. PAT Margin 24.5%
  6. Diluted EPS ₹6.75 +42%YoY
  7. MRR (June) ₹14.5 Cr

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 336.1%, net profit up 1566.7% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue48 42 33 36 44 −8%70 +67%96 +191%157 +336%
EBITDA31 25 13 11 18 −42%40 +60%58 +346%118 +973%
Net profit12 12 14 -3 -13 −208%-6 −150%6 −57%44 +1567%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Capex

  • CAPEX for FY25 Capex · FY25 · Medium confidence flexible, could be more or less

    From 800 crores (clarified as not an announcement) today

    No, we didn't actually that is not true. We didn't announce 800 crores of CAPEX, and somebody asked, how much would you like to spend, so my answer was that, in an ideal world if we had the money, you would like to spend that much. So there was no announcement from our side as such that we will do 800 crores of CAPEX. It might end up that we end up doing that much, but let's not call it an announcement.

    — Tarun Dua

  • CAPEX Funding Mix Capex · FY25 · High confidence mix of vendor financing, debt, internal accruals, potential equity raise
    See broadly it's going to be a mix of vendor financing debt and internal accruals and potentially some amount of equity raise.

    — Tarun Dua

Revenue

  • Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR) Revenue · next three quarters · Low confidence no specific number
    I wouldn't like to give any number, we are never in a habit of giving any guidance for next quarter or next-to-next quarter, so we are talking about next three quarters. So we will simply have to wait and see.

    — Tarun Dua

Market Share

  • AI diffused deployed for overseas customers Market Share · over a year · Medium confidence 25% to 30%
    So it would be premature to comment based on say one quarter or so, but if we could predict it, it would be like over a year or would be somewhere between say 25% to 30%.

    — Tarun Dua

Other

  • Asset Turns Other · Future · High confidence 0.5 to 0.6
    Broadly asset terms wise somewhere between 0.5 to 0.6.

    — Tarun Dua

Capacity

  • New H100 units to go live Capacity · current quarter · High confidence 256 units
    we are already in the process of acquiring another 256 H100 which would go live in the quarter.

    — Tarun Dua

Margin

  • EBITDA Margin Trend Margin · medium term and long term · High confidence sustain
    I don't say quarter-by-quarter I would say medium term and long term broad trend should sustain.

    — Tarun Dua

Risks & concerns

  • Revenue volatility due to 'bursty' nature of cloud GPU workloads

    medium

    Cloud GPU workloads are typically bursty, leading to fluctuating customer concentration quarter-to-quarter, requiring an annual perspective.

    Management acknowledged

  • Past hardware scarcity and long lead times

    low

    Management stated that 'the worst of the scarcity is now behind us' and planning cycles have shortened to 6-8 weeks.

    Management acknowledged

Areas of evasion (4)

  • Specific CAPEX targets for FY25
  • Quarter-on-quarter MRR guidance
  • Specific demand forecasts (e.g., 800,000 H100s)
  • Promoter's future stock sale plans

Q&A highlights

3 direct
FY25 CAPEX Announcement and Funding Direct
No, we didn't actually that is not true. We didn't announce 800 crores of CAPEX, and somebody asked, how much would you like to spend, so my answer was that, in an ideal world if we had the money, you would like to spend that much. So there was no announcement from our side as such that we will do 800 crores of CAPEX.

Clarifies a significant CAPEX figure previously attributed to the company, setting realistic expectations for investment plans and funding sources (mix of debt, internal accruals, potential equity).

Asked by Prathamesh Tiwar

Sustainability of Improved Margins Direct
Ours is a platform business so, the overall team size, the platform size doesn't need to really increase with the amount of cloud business that we do. So, we can potentially scale up the business 10x where the platform remains practically the same... So that way, there is always any platform business, the scope for growth of margins is always there.

Explains the structural reason for margin expansion (platform business scalability) and indicates that the improved margins are a sustainable trend in the medium to long term, not a one-off.

Asked by Pankaj Kumar

Customer Concentration and Burstiness of GPU Workloads Direct
in this quarter probably the concentration would be higher than usual, so top 10 customers might have gone up by all the way compared to previous quarters to say 45%, 50%... the cloud GPU workloads are typically like bursty workloads, where a single customer might come up with a short burst of large amount of compute usage. And next quarter that customer might be kind of significantly lower than this quarter.

Reveals a higher-than-usual customer concentration in Q1 FY25 (45-50% from top 10) but contextualizes it with the 'bursty' nature of cloud GPU workloads, suggesting this might not be a persistent issue and should be viewed annually.

Asked by Aditya Trivadi

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Detailed narrative

Strong Q1 FY25 Financial Performance Driven by Cloud GPU

E2E Networks reported robust financial results for Q1 FY25, with revenue from operations surging 112% year-on-year to ₹41.7 crores. This growth was accompanied by a 168% increase in EBITDA to ₹27.4 crores, leading to a significant EBITDA margin expansion of 1403 basis points to 66.34%. Net profit also saw a substantial rise of 44% YoY to ₹10.1 crores, translating to a diluted EPS of ₹6.75, up 42% YoY. Quarter-on-quarter, revenue grew 40% from ₹29.6 crores in Q4 FY24, and EBITDA increased 79%.

Strategic Focus on High-Density Cloud GPU for AI/ML Workloads

The company emphasized its position as a leading Indian player in the cloud GPU market, with the majority of its workloads now in the AI/ML domain. Management highlighted the superior compute power of GPUs, capable of delivering 1000x the compute of a typical CPU server for massively parallel AI/ML tasks, despite being 10x more expensive and consuming 10x more power. This shift to high-density GPU compute is a 'broad trend' contributing to the reduction in data center costs as a percentage of revenue and is expected to sustain margin growth in the medium to long term.

Expanding Capacity and High Utilization Rates

E2E Networks confirmed that the deployment of 185 crores CAPEX from Q4 FY24 was completed by early April, with the overall inventory, including other assets, now utilized at over 90%. The company's Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR) for June stood at ₹14.5 crores, reflecting 90-95% utilization of its 450 AI H100 units. To meet ongoing demand, E2E is already in the process of acquiring another 256 H100 units, which are expected to go live in the current quarter (Q2 FY25).

India's Cloud GPU Opportunity and International Traction

Management articulated a significant opportunity for India in the cloud GPU sector, noting that while India accounts for 20% of the world's data, it only has 2% of the world's compute capacity, necessitating a 10x increase in compute. This presents a chance for India to 'leapfrog directly into the GPU segment.' E2E is also seeing 'some level of traction outside India,' with a prediction that 25-30% of its AI diffused deployment could be for overseas customers 'over a year.'

Software Platform as a Key Differentiator

E2E Networks differentiates itself through its proprietary cloud software platform, which has been developed over the last decade, with 4-5 years specifically on cloud GPU. This platform, which supports 25-30 different microservices and focuses on national language processing, computer vision, LLMs, and diffusion models, is seen as a 'product business' rather than a services business. The continuous evolution of this software, driven by customer feedback and industry trends, creates 'stickiness' and higher lifetime value for customers, enabling the company to scale its business 10x without a proportional increase in team size.

Flexible CAPEX Strategy and Funding

The company clarified that there was no formal announcement of ₹800 crores CAPEX for FY25, but rather an aspirational figure. E2E maintains a flexible CAPEX strategy, adapting investments based on current demand and pipeline, with a shortened hardware planning cycle of 6-8 weeks. Future CAPEX will be funded through a judicious mix of vendor financing, debt, internal accruals, and potentially some equity raise. Asset turns are expected to remain between 0.5 and 0.6.

Government Engagement and Customer Profile Shift

E2E Networks is exploring three avenues for government business following its MeitY impanelment, including supporting MSME partners, evaluating direct workload matches (18-24 months outlook), and joint ventures with other partners. The company is also strategically shifting towards a 'higher ARPU customer' profile, moving away from a large number of small customers. While this led to a higher customer concentration of 45-50% from the top 10 clients in Q1 FY25, management noted the 'bursty' nature of GPU workloads means this should be viewed over a full year.

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