Gufic Biosciences Limited — Q2 FY25 earnings call

Call held 18 Nov 2024

Management summary

Gufic Biosciences reported a slight decline in Q2 FY25 revenue and PAT year-over-year, primarily attributed to capacity constraints at Navsari and API pricing erosion, with the new Indore facility commencing production only in early October. Despite the short-term challenges, the company is strategically positioning Indore for future growth, focusing on domestic contract manufacturing and eventual entry into regulated markets like the EU and US. Management highlighted progress in various divisions, including critical care, ferticare, aestaderm, neurocare, and international business, while acknowledging the need to manage debtor days.

Highlights

  • Q2 FY25 Revenue: ₹204.2 crores (down 4.98% YoY)

  • Q2 FY25 EBITDA: ₹38.7 crores (down 2.52% YoY)

  • Q2 FY25 EBITDA Margin: 18.9% (up 43 bps YoY)

  • Q2 FY25 PAT: ₹21.8 crores (down 6.03% YoY)

  • Q2 FY25 PAT Margin: 10.66% (down 14 bps YoY)

  • H1 FY25 Revenue: ₹407 crores (down 0.71% YoY)

  • H1 FY25 EBITDA: ₹79.8 crores (up 4.86% YoY)

  • Indore facility started production on October 3, 2024, with revenue contribution expected from Q3 FY25.

  • EU audit for Indore facility expected June-September 2024, with approval by end of 2025.

Concerns

  • API Price Erosion from China

  • Capacity Constraints at Navsari Facility

Key financials

2 periods

Q2 FY25

  • Revenue
    ₹204.2 Cr
    YoY -5%
  • EBITDA
    ₹38.7 Cr
    YoY -2.5%
  • EBITDA Margin
    18.9%
  • PAT
    ₹21.8 Cr
    YoY -6%
  • PAT Margin
    10.7%

H1 FY25

  • Revenue
    ₹407 Cr
    YoY -0.71%
  • EBITDA
    ₹79.8 Cr
    YoY +4.9%
  • EBITDA Margin
    18.6%
  • PAT
    ₹42.6 Cr
    YoY -2.7%
  • PAT Margin
    10.4%

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 15.0%, net profit up 83.3% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue204 208 205 227 230 +13%231 +11%252 +23%261 +15%
EBITDA39 34 27 32 36 −8%36 +6%46 +70%47 +47%
Net profit22 19 8 12 15 −32%16 −16%21 +163%22 +83%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Capacity

  • Indore Facility Potential Capacity · next 2-3 years · Medium confidence 2 to 3 years
    Yes, the real potential of the Indore facility would be seen in the next 2 to 3 years.

    — Pranav Choksi, CEO & Whole-Time Director

Regulatory Approval

  • Indore Facility EU Approval Regulatory Approval · by end of 2025 · High confidence by end of 2025
    we should have a EU approval hopefully before the end of next year, that is 2025.

    — Pranav Choksi, CEO & Whole-Time Director

Regulatory Action

  • Indore Facility US FDA Action Regulatory Action · calendar year 2026 · Medium confidence calendar year 2026
    But we are looking at a calendar year of 2026 where we see some action in the US FDA front.

    — Pranav Choksi, CEO & Whole-Time Director

Business Initiation

  • CMO/CDMO Business Initiation Business Initiation · November and December (current year) · High confidence November and December
    we foresee that the CMO, CDMO business will be initiated in November and December to start off with and then go on and so on.

    — Pranav Choksi, CEO & Whole-Time Director

Product Development

  • Selvax Project Timeline Product Development · 5-6 years · Medium confidence 5-year, 6-year window
    So, we are clear that Selvax is sort of a 5-year, 6-year window.

    — Pranav Choksi, CEO & Whole-Time Director

Risks & concerns

  • API Price Erosion from China

    high

    20% of revenue from 6-8 molecules saw 35-50% erosion due to API pricing from China, contributing to revenue stagnation.

    Management acknowledged

  • Capacity Constraints at Navsari Facility

    high

    Navsari facility's capacity limitations prevented meeting market demand, leading to lost revenue in Q2 FY25 before Indore commenced operations.

    Management acknowledged

  • Increased Debtor Days in Sparsh Division

    medium

    Direct credit to hospitals in the Sparsh division leads to an increase in debtor days, though management believes long-term benefits outweigh this short-term challenge.

    Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

3 direct
Indore Facility Revenue Contribution and Impact on Q2 FY25 Direct
So, there has been a loss of revenue in the quarter because Indore started in October, October 3 to be precise. So, that's why the capacity which was not available at Navsari could not be met by Indore in the last quarter because the production started in the first week of October.

Clarifies the immediate financial impact of the Indore facility's delayed start and its contribution to Q2 FY25 revenue decline.

Asked by Bhavya, Samaasa Capital

Indore Facility Regulatory Approvals and Timelines (EU/US FDA) Direct
we are hoping that they would come and visit us by around June 2024 to September 2024 based on their dates and we should have a EU approval hopefully before the end of next year, that is 2025. Coming to the US... we are looking at a calendar year of 2026 where we see some action in the US FDA front.

Provides specific timelines for critical regulatory approvals for the new Indore facility, outlining the market entry strategy for EU and US.

Asked by Bhavya, Samaasa Capital

Reasons for Stagnant Revenue and Debtor Cycle Management Direct
if you see last year, there were multiple factors apart from the capacity constraints which we have. There were also around 20% of our revenue is contributed by around 6 to 8 molecules... they actually got eroded by almost 35% to 50%, in terms of API pricing in the last one year from China. And that's why what you see right now also, there has been a unit increase in terms of these 20% of our revenue.

Explains the underlying causes of recent revenue stagnation beyond just capacity, including API price volatility and a strategic decision to manage debtor days.

Asked by Midhun James, Cupertino Investments

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Detailed narrative

Q2 FY25 Financial Performance Overview

Gufic Biosciences reported a slight decline in Q2 FY25 standalone revenue to ₹204.2 crores, down 4.98% year-over-year from ₹214.9 crores in Q2 FY24. EBITDA for the quarter was ₹38.7 crores, a 2.52% decrease from ₹39.7 crores last year, though the EBITDA margin improved slightly to 18.9% from 18.47%. Profit after tax (PAT) also saw a decline to ₹21.8 crores, down 6.03% from ₹23.2 crores in the prior year, with PAT margin at 10.66%.

H1 FY25 Financial Performance Overview

For the first half of FY25, total revenue stood at ₹407 crores, a marginal decrease of 0.71% compared to ₹409.9 crores in H1 FY24. However, EBITDA for H1 FY25 increased by 4.86% to ₹79.8 crores from ₹76.1 crores in H1 FY24, with EBITDA margin improving to 18.62%. PAT for H1 FY25 was ₹42.6 crores, a 2.74% decline from ₹43.8 crores in H1 FY24, resulting in a PAT margin of 10.44%.

Indore Facility Commissioning and Strategic Outlook

The new Indore facility commenced production on October 3, 2024, marking a transformative milestone. Management indicated that revenue contribution from Indore would begin in Q3 FY25, though the 'real potential' is expected to materialize over the next 2-3 years. The short-term strategy involves transferring high-demand products from Navsari to Indore to optimize capacity, allowing Navsari to focus on export orders. Long-term, Indore is positioned for regulated markets, with EU approval targeted by the end of 2025 and US FDA action anticipated in calendar year 2026.

Challenges Impacting Revenue Stagnation

Management attributed the stagnant revenue over the past 4-5 quarters to multiple factors, including capacity constraints at the Navsari facility and significant erosion in API pricing. Specifically, 20% of the company's revenue, derived from 6-8 key molecules, experienced a 35-50% erosion due to API price volatility from China. Additionally, a conservative approach was adopted in Q1 and Q2 FY25 to manage the debtor cycle, avoiding excessive credit extension at the cost of revenue.

Divisional Performance and Pipeline Expansion

The Critical Care division continues to be a backbone, expanding its pipeline with innovative antifungal and antibacterial molecules and focusing on sepsis management through engagement with over 3,000 healthcare professionals. The Ferticare division is addressing infertility rates by expanding its recombinant hormonal product pipeline and launching specialized task forces. Aesthaderm's STUNNOX is now the second most used botulinum toxin in India, while Neurocare's Zarbot has gained acceptance among 100+ neurologists.

International Business and Contract Manufacturing

Gufic's international business is growing through regulated market registrations, having recently secured approvals in Thailand, Sri Lanka, and Lithuania, and winning a UK NHS tender. The Indore facility is expected to support further international expansions. The company is actively pursuing contract manufacturing (CMO/CDMO) opportunities, with audits by domestic and international partners ongoing since May-July, and the CMO/CDMO business expected to be initiated in November-December.

Selvax Oncology Project Update

The immune-oncology project, Selvax, targeting solid tumors, has shown promising results in animal studies, including a reported 92% cure rate out of 24 animals in expert studies. While dose determination studies are still pending, the company is working on cell line scalability and large-scale production of anti-CD40 antibodies. Management views Selvax as a 5-6 year window project, emphasizing cautious optimism until further large-scale study data is available.

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