Kajaria Ceramics Limited — Q3 FY25 earnings call

Call held 4 Feb 2025

Management summary

Kajaria Ceramics reported a subdued Q3 FY25 with consolidated revenue up 1% and PAT down 25% due to lower realizations and losses in the new Bathware division. Despite a challenging domestic market and declining exports, tile volumes grew 6.7%. The company is focusing on cost recovery, improving margins from its new Nepal and Sanitaryware plants, and expanding its distribution network to gain market share.

Highlights

  • Consolidated revenue stood at ₹1,164 crores, indicating a 1% year-to-year increase.

  • Tile volumes grew by 6.7% year-to-year to 28.90 million square meters.

  • EBITDA margins remained soft at 12.78% for the quarter.

  • PAT for the quarter degrew by 25% to ₹78 crores compared to ₹104 crores in Q3 FY24.

  • Nepal project, commissioned in September '24, operated at 70% utilization in Q3 FY25.

  • India's tile exports experienced a 16% fall in value in the first 8 months of the current year, totaling ₹11,600 crores.

  • Tiles segment grew by 3%, reaching ₹1,041 crores.

  • Bathware segment registered 2.5% growth in revenue, reaching ₹95 crores.

Concerns

  • Sustained weakness in domestic market and sluggishness in exports

  • Struggling retail sales

  • Excess supply in the industry

Key financials

  1. Consolidated Revenue ₹1,164 Cr +1%YoY
  2. Tile Volumes 28.9 million square meters +6.7%YoY
  3. EBITDA Margin 12.8%
  4. PAT ₹78 Cr -25%YoY
  5. Working Capital Days 59 days

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 20.4%, net profit up 55.5% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue1,179 1,156 1,222 1,103 1,186 +1%1,168 +1%1,373 +12%1,328 +20%
EBITDA156 152 138 187 213 +37%200 +32%263 +91%260 +39%
Net profit86 79 43 110 134 +56%86 +9%157 +265%171 +55%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

Share of Revenue
₹1,164 Cr Total
  • Tiles ₹1,041 Cr 89.4%
  • Bathware ₹95 Cr 8.2%
  • Adhesive ₹20 Cr 1.7%
  • Plywood ₹8 Cr 0.7%

Guidance & targets

Volume

  • Overall Volume Growth Volume · FY25 · High confidence 8-9%
    Our overall volume growth this year should be close to between 8% to 9%. That's what will happen.

    — Ashok Kajaria

  • Bathware Segment Growth Volume · FY25 · High confidence 10%
    Bathware, this year, we should grow roughly at about 10%, close to 10%. That's what we are looking at.

    — Ashok Kajaria

Profitability

  • EBITDA Margin Profitability · next year · High confidence 14-15%
    So the margins, which have come to almost a very low level, you believe that it could move to 14%, 15% next year? It will, sir. It will.

    — Ashok Kajaria

Capacity

  • Nepal Plant Utilization Capacity · by March-April 2025 · Medium confidence 80-85%

    From 70% today

    And as I said in the next 2 months, we try to raise it to 80%, 85%.

    — Ashok Kajaria

Dividend

  • Dividend Payout Dividend · ongoing · High confidence 40-50%
    In our dividend policy, we have clearly stated it has to be around 40% to 50%.

    — Sanjeev Agarwal

Headcount

  • Employee Cost as % of Sales Headcount · FY26 · High confidence at par with '23-'24
    And I can assure you, next year, let me see next financial year, that is '25, '26, it will be at par with '23, '24.

    — Ashok Kajaria

Capex

  • Future Capex Capex · next year · High confidence very low
    Going forward, the capex is going to be next year capex is going to be very low.

    — Sanjeev Agarwal

Risks & concerns

  • Sustained weakness in domestic market and sluggishness in exports

    high

    Led to a subdued quarter for the tile industry.

    Management acknowledged

  • Struggling retail sales

    high

    Retail sales are very low, impacting overall growth and margins.

    Management acknowledged

  • Excess supply in the industry

    high

    Partly due to ₹4,000 crores of exports coming into the domestic market, keeping the market under pressure.

    Management acknowledged

  • Lower realization and loss in Bathware division

    medium

    Largely attributable to new Sanitaryware unit commenced in Morbi.

    Management acknowledged

  • Significant jump in ocean freight rates due to Red Sea crisis and Gulf market uncertainty

    medium

    Contributed to a 16% fall in tile export value, though rates are now coming down.

    Management acknowledged

  • Very competitive project sales

    medium

    Supplying to projects involves negotiating the hardest prices, impacting realizations.

    Management acknowledged

Areas of evasion (1)

  • Exact institutional sales percentage

Q&A highlights

3 direct
Domestic demand slowdown and triggers for revival Direct
First trigger will be the rate cut, which we are -- everybody is expecting, which should happen on 7th of Feb with the Reserve Bank policy. I think that rate cut is a very important thing for housing and for a home buyer because it affects him in many ways, number one.

Identifies key macroeconomic factors management believes will drive demand revival in the near term.

Asked by Yogesh Patil

Employee cost increase and plans for correction Direct
Pankaj Ji, you are absolutely correct... We are working on that front. And I can assure you, next year, let me see next financial year, that is '25, '26, it will be at par with '23, '24.

Addresses a specific cost pressure point and provides a clear commitment for its correction in the next fiscal year.

Asked by Pankaj Tibrewal

Market share gains in a flat industry and competitive landscape Direct
The growth of the industry has been flat because if you look at the numbers, every now and then, they have been talking for the last 3 months taking a shutdown... So basically, we have taken a market share.

Clarifies how Kajaria is navigating a subdued market by gaining market share from smaller, less efficient players, despite the overall industry being flat.

Asked by Pankaj Tibrewal

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Detailed narrative

Q3 FY25 Performance Overview

Kajaria Ceramics reported a challenging Q3 FY25 with consolidated revenue increasing by a modest 1% year-over-year to ₹1,164 crores. Despite this, tile volumes showed resilience, growing 6.7% to 28.90 million square meters. However, EBITDA margins remained soft at 12.78%, and Profit After Tax (PAT) saw a significant 25% decline to ₹78 crores, primarily attributed to lower realizations and initial losses from the new Sanitaryware unit in Morbi.

Segmental Performance and Challenges

The Tiles segment recorded a 3% growth, reaching revenues of ₹1,041 crores. The Bathware segment also grew by 2.5% to ₹95 crores, though it incurred losses due to the new Morbi unit. The Plywood segment experienced a substantial decrease in revenue, falling to ₹8 crores from ₹34 crores in Q3 FY24, while the Adhesive segment showed strong growth, increasing to ₹20 crores from ₹13 crores.

Domestic and Export Market Dynamics

The company faced sustained weakness in the domestic market, particularly in retail sales, which are currently very low. Export performance was also subdued, with India's tile exports falling 16% in value during the first 8 months of the current year, totaling ₹11,600 crores. This decline was largely due to the Red Sea crisis and uncertainty in the Gulf market, although management noted that freight rates for UK exports have begun to normalize, dropping from ₹4,000 to ₹1,750 per container.

Capacity Utilization and Nepal Project Update

Kajaria's domestic tile plants operated at an impressive 105% capacity in the December quarter, with outsourced sales volume growing 17% year-over-year. The Nepal project, commissioned in September '24, achieved 70% utilization in Q3 FY25, and the company aims to increase this to 80-85% by March-April. A positive development for the Nepal project is the locking of interest rates at 9%, a significant reduction from the initial 14%.

Cost Management and Margin Outlook

Management is optimistic about future EBITDA margin improvement, expecting them to reach 14-15% next year, driven by the stabilization of the new Sanitaryware plant and operating leverage from increased volumes. Employee costs, which saw an increase, are targeted to return to FY23-24 levels by FY26 through cost-cutting measures and anticipated sales growth. Fuel prices remained constant in Q3, with no significant change expected in Q4.

Market Share Gains and Distribution Strategy

Despite a flat industry, Kajaria is actively gaining market share from smaller, less efficient players who are contemplating or undertaking shutdowns due to overcapacity. The company is expanding its distribution network, aiming to penetrate smaller towns across India, targeting Vidhan Sabha numbers (4110 locations) beyond its current 1,880 dealers, of which 460 are exclusive.

Outlook and Demand Revival Triggers

The company maintains a cautious but optimistic outlook for demand in the near to medium term. Key triggers for demand revival include potential RBI rate cuts, expected around February 7th, and increased buying power resulting from government budget allocations. Management anticipates an overall volume growth of 8-9% for FY25 and expects things to improve as infrastructure investments by the government pick up in Q4 FY25 and Q1 FY26.

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