Mamata Machinery Limited — Q4 FY25 earnings call

Call held 9 Jun 2025

Management summary

Mamata Machinery reported a resilient FY25 with 8% revenue growth to ₹254.6 crores and 14% net profit growth, despite ₹30 crores in order deferrals to Q1 FY26. Gross margins expanded by 2% to 61% for the year, driven by strategic product mix and procurement. The company is focused on leveraging its patented recyclable film technology and expanding its packaging machinery division into new export markets, while navigating potential US market turbulence and talent acquisition challenges.

Highlights

  • FY25 Revenue of ₹254.6 crores, up 8% YoY, despite significant order deferrals.

  • FY25 Net Profit grew 14% YoY, outpacing revenue growth, driven by improved margins.

  • Gross Margin expanded by 2% for the full year, reaching 61%, and 64% in Q4 FY25 due to strategic initiatives, product repricing, and effective procurement.

  • Robust pipeline for packaging machinery orders and exploration of new export markets in Middle East and Africa.

  • Patented technology for running recyclable films on packaging machines, with significant market opportunity in India and globally.

Concerns

  • Significant orders worth ₹30 crores (₹23 crores for packaging, balance for converting) originally scheduled for Q4 FY25 were deferred to Q1 FY26.

  • US market experiencing turbulence due to recent tariff announcements, posing a risk of broader economic slowdown impacting demand.

  • Challenges in finding experienced and motivated talent for growth initiatives.

Key financials

  1. Revenue ₹254.6 Cr +8%YoY
  2. Net Profit Growth 14%
  3. Gross Margin FY25 61%
  4. Gross Margin Q4 FY25 64%
  5. Gross Margin Expansion 2%

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 17.0%, net profit down 117.9% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue40 48 110 28 40 +2%55 +15%66 −40%32 +17%
EBITDA0 11 34 2 4 +14600%6 −40%3 −92%-1 −143%
Net profit0 8 25 2 3 +2431%6 −26%-1 −103%-0 −118%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Order book

high confidence

Total value

₹74 Cr

as of 2025-03-31 quantified

Composition

Mix 4 products
  • Machines Dispatched (FY25) 238 units 50%
  • Pack Making & Pouch Making Machines Dispatched (FY25) 207 units 43.5%
  • Extrusion Machines Dispatched (FY25) 10 units 2.1%
  • Packaging Machines Dispatched (FY25) 21 units 4.4%

Share of order book by product, derived from disclosed amounts

Pipeline

deal pipeline tcv

Robust pipeline for packaging machinery orders

Cancellations & deferrals

  • deferred: Orders worth ₹30 crores deferred from Q4 FY25 to Q1 FY26, with ₹23 crores for packaging and balance for converting.
Underlying momentum for packaging division remains robust despite Q4 deferrals, and deferred orders will be booked in the coming quarter.

Source: Prepared remarks

Capital allocation

high confidence
  • Capex Capex disclosed
    • More space to assemble machines
    as far as capacity expansion is concerned, basically we might just need more space to assemble machines that we manufacture and we will definitely try and add that space in our existing campus as and when required.
  • Liquidity Cash ₹68 Cr Cash on balance sheet is used as working capital throughout the year and as a war chest for inorganic growth.
    The cash that you see on balance sheet on 31st March is end of our basically working capital cycle at end of the year. So, it basically goes into a majority of that cash is used as working capital throughout the year and by end of the year it comes back to the balance sheet as cash. So that is one part. Second part we are trying to use this as a war chest going forward-looking at inorganic growth

Guidance & targets

Profitability

  • EBITDA Margins Profitability · going forward · High confidence ±20%

    Previously 15-16% → ±20%

    Current EBITDA margins of ±20% are sustainable and may possibly improve.

    — Apurva Kane

Growth

  • Packaging Division Growth Growth · next year and year after that in near-term · Medium confidence 30-40%
    packaging will grow much faster. We're looking at between 30 and 40% growth.

    — Apurva Kane

  • Bag Making, Pouch Making, Extrusion Growth Growth · going forward · Medium confidence 10-15%
    bag making, pouch making as well as our extrusion is likely to grow at between 10 and 15% going forward

    — Apurva Kane

Market Opportunity

  • Recyclable Film Machines (Near-term India) Market Opportunity · 20-24 weeks · Medium confidence 12-20 machines
    Absolutely near-term addressable opportunities that time we are looking at is between 12 and 20 machines in coming 20-24 weeks.

    — Apurva Kane

What to watch in Q1 FY26

Realization of deferred orders

Q1 FY26
Current ₹30 crores deferred
Target Booking of ₹30 crores in Q1 FY26

Why it matters

These deferred orders represent a significant portion of Q4 FY25's missed revenue and their booking in Q1 FY26 will impact the next quarter's top-line growth.

The quantum of deferred sales is approximately 30 CR of which about 23 CR was for packaging. And balance was for converting.

Risks & concerns

  • US market turbulence due to tariffs

    medium

    Recent tariff announcements in the US could lead to broader economic slowdown or recession, indirectly impacting demand for high-end technology-driven capital goods.

    Management acknowledged

  • Perception of Indian-made world-class machinery

    medium

    Despite building world-class machines, there are still perception challenges globally regarding India as a source for top-class machinery, which needs to be overcome over time.

    Management acknowledged

  • Talent acquisition for growth initiatives

    low

    Finding experienced, motivated, and committed people to deliver results is a continuous challenge, though the company is actively recruiting.

    Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

7 direct
Quantum of deferred sales from Q4 FY25 to Q1 FY26 Direct
The quantum of deferred sales is approximately 30 CR of which about 23 CR was for packaging. And balance was for converting.

Clarifies the exact financial impact of deferred orders on Q4 FY25 results and the carry-over to Q1 FY26.

Asked by Manish Goyal

Reason for strong growth in attachments and spares in Q4 FY25 Direct
there were two orders that were executed in the last quarter where we had to send out basically upgrade packages which is partial plants. Now these are also quite high value and therefore, you see this sudden surge under classification attachment.

Explains a specific revenue classification anomaly, indicating high-value partial plant upgrades were categorized as attachments.

Asked by Manish Goyal

Outlook for FY26 growth, considering spillover and packaging machinery potential Direct
We continue to have a robust pipeline for packaging machinery orders. As planned, we are going ahead with exploration of various Middle East and African markets and find market for packaging machinery and we believe that will result in higher growth rate.

Provides management's confidence in future growth drivers, including new market expansion and a robust order pipeline.

Asked by Manish Goyal

Overlap of customers across the three business segments Direct
They don't always overlap. There is definitely some synergy. First of all, the customers for packaging machines are essentially brand owners or they are contract packers for brand owners. So, they are different from people who make bags and pouches or people who make film to make bags and pouches.

Clarifies customer segmentation, indicating distinct customer bases for packaging machinery versus film/bag making, despite some synergy.

Asked by Lakshminarayanan

Capital allocation plan, cash utilization, and dividend payout policy Partial
The cash that you see on balance sheet on 31st March is end of our basically working capital cycle at end of the year... we are trying to use this as a war chest going forward-looking at inorganic growth... On dividend front, we will continue with our past track record of equitable dividend distribution. And as I said just now, we are trying to build a war chest that will help us with our in inorganic growth plan. So, we would like to retain those funds for future use for this purpose.

Explains the strategic use of cash for working capital and inorganic growth, indicating a preference to retain funds over higher dividends for future strategic initiatives.

Asked by Manish Goyal

Nature of inorganic growth strategy (technology acquisition vs. market penetration) Direct
we are looking at sales and marketing alliances with companies in various parts of the world, we are looking particularly in Europe, we are also looking at acquisition of smaller family run companies... that would onboard technology also and that would onboard markets also at the same time. We are also looking at joint ventures as an opportunity.

Details the multi-faceted approach to inorganic growth, including alliances, acquisitions, and JVs, with a focus on technology and market access in Europe.

Asked by Manish Goyal

Challenges in achieving growth, particularly regarding talent and perception of Indian machinery Direct
the challenges are not only people, the challenges are recognition as of India as a destination for world class machinery, and that is the challenge that we constantly face and that is the challenge that we have to overcome because even today, when you are looking at people globally and talking to them, people think that good software can come from India... But when you talk of absolutely top-class machinery coming out of India, there are still question marks as far as people's perception is concerned.

Highlights key non-financial challenges, including talent acquisition and the persistent perception barrier for Indian-made world-class machinery.

Asked by Lala Ram Singh

Repeat business percentage Direct
It is around fifty 50-55% is repeat business

Quantifies the proportion of repeat business, indicating customer loyalty and product quality.

Asked by Lakshminarayanan

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Detailed narrative

FY25 Performance Overview and Order Deferrals

Mamata Machinery reported FY25 revenues of ₹254.6 crores, marking an 8% year-on-year growth. Net profits for the year increased by 14%. This performance is notable given that ₹30 crores worth of orders, including ₹23 crores for the packaging division, were deferred from Q4 FY25 to Q1 FY26 due to logistical and administrative challenges. Had these orders been realized, the company would have achieved a stronger double-digit top-line growth.

Profitability Improvement and Strategic Initiatives

The company's profitability saw significant improvement, with net profits growing 14% and gross margins expanding by 2% for the full year, reaching 61%. Q4 FY25 gross margins stood at 64%. This margin expansion was attributed to strategic initiatives such as a higher contribution from higher-margin products, selective product repricing, and more effective procurement practices, alongside design changes that reduced costs.

Market Dynamics and Export Strategy

Mamata Machinery is actively exploring new export markets in the Middle East and Africa for its packaging machinery, leveraging its existing presence in 80 countries for bag and pouch making. While the US market faces turbulence due to tariff announcements, management believes the company is well-positioned due to its high-end technology-driven products. For extrusion, bag making, and pouch making, 71% of FY25 revenue was generated from exports.

Recyclable Film Technology and Opportunities

The company has secured patents for sealing mechanisms that enable its packaging machines to run recyclable films, with patents in EU and USA. This technology addresses a significant market opportunity in India, where flexible packaging material usage runs into millions of tons annually. Mamata has already installed a machine at ITC using recyclable film and is in discussions with other potential customers, with a near-term addressable opportunity of 12-20 machines in 20-24 weeks.

Capital Allocation and Inorganic Growth Focus

Mamata Machinery holds approximately ₹68 crores in cash, which is utilized for working capital and as a 'war chest' for inorganic growth. The company is actively seeking inorganic growth opportunities, particularly in flexible packaging, through sales and marketing alliances, acquisitions of smaller family-run companies, and joint ventures, especially in Europe. The focus is on onboarding technology and expanding market reach, with an emphasis on filling portfolio gaps like flow wrap machines and various filling systems.

Talent Acquisition and Brand Perception Challenges

The company acknowledges challenges in acquiring experienced and motivated talent to support its growth. Furthermore, a significant hurdle is overcoming the perception that India is not a source for world-class machinery. Management believes that while India does build top-class machines, the perception still needs to improve over time, and Mamata Machinery is ahead of the curve compared to the overall Indian industry in this regard.

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