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    Siemens Limited

    SIEMENS
    Capital Goods·14 May 2024
    Management Summary

    Siemens Limited reported a robust Q2 FY24 with revenue growth of 19.3% and EBITDA margin expanding to 15%, driven by strong backlog conversion and productivity. The company announced significant CAPEX exceeding ₹1,000 crore for capacity expansion in Smart Infrastructure and Mobility, reinforcing its commitment to growth. A major strategic decision was the board's approval for the demerger of its Energy Business into a separate listed entity, Siemens Energy India Limited, aiming to unlock shareholder value and create two focused companies by CY 2025.

    Highlights

    5
    • Q2 FY24 Revenue grew 19.3% driven by all businesses, with Smart Infrastructure at 29% and Mobility at 59%.

    • Q2 FY24 EBITDA at 15%, representing an increase of 240 bps vs. prior year quarter, due to volume increase, positive product mix, and productivity measures.

    • H1 FY24 Revenue is up 20.6% vs. prior year, with EBITDA margin improving by 340 bps on a comparable basis (excluding FX and Commodity Hedging impact).

    • Total CAPEX investment expected to exceed ₹1,000 crore, including new investments of ₹333 crore in Smart Infrastructure and ₹186 crore in Mobility.

    • The proposed demerger of the Energy Business is expected to unlock shareholder value and create two strong, independent listed entities by CY 2025.

    Concerns

    4
    • New orders are below prior year level due to the large locomotive order booked in the previous year (over ₹250 billion).

    • A few orders slipped from Q2 into Q3, impacting current quarter order inflow.

    • Slowdown in ordering of industrial automation products due to normalization of demand and destocking effects.

    • Mobility EBITDA Margins were at 3.5% in FY23 due to large investments in manufacturing capacity.

    What Changed3

    vs Q2 FY25

    Guidance items3 → 7 (+4)Risks discussed4 → 2 (-2)Q&A highlights3 → 8 (+5)
    Key financials

    Metrics

    9

    Periods

    2

    Headline

    4
    • H1 FY24 Revenue Growth
      20.6%
    • H1 FY24 EBITDA Margin
      13.6%
    • H1 FY24 PBT Margin
      18.5%
    • H1 FY24 PAT Margin
      14.1%

    Q2 FY24

    5
    • Revenue Growth
      19.3%
    • EBITDA Margin
      15%
    • PBT Margin
      22.2%
    • PAT Margin
      17.1%
    • EPS
      ₹25.2

    Segment breakdown

    • Digital Industries (FY23)43.4 billion24.5%
    • Smart Infrastructure (FY23)54 billion30.5%
    • Mobility (FY23)19.7 billion11.1%
    • Energy Business (FY23)59.9 billion33.8%
    Donut· Share of Sales

    Order Book

    high confidence

    Total Value

    ₹ 370 billion

    as of 2024-03-31

    quantified

    Cancellations / Deferrals

    • deferred:A few orders slipped from Q2 into Q3.

    "New orders are below prior year level due to a large locomotive order in the previous year, but the overall enquiry pipeline is robust."

    Source:
    Prepared remarks

    Capital allocation

    4
    high confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    Capex

    ₹1,000 crores

    Debt

    Debt disclosed

    M&A

    Siemens Energy India Limited

    divestment · announced

    Liquidity

    Cash ₹4.3 billion

    Cash from Operations increased by Rs. 1.3 billion to Rs. 4.3 billion compared to the previous year.

    Guidance & targets

    6
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Order Income
    Year-end Order Income Growth
    intact
    High
    Energy Market Growth
    Energy Market CAGR
    9%
    High
    Generation Capacity
    Generation Capacity
    820 Gigawatt
    High
    Transmission Capacity
    Transmission Capacity
    1,827 Giga-Volt Ampere (GVA)
    High
    Power Transmission Capacity
    Power Transmission Capacity
    30 GVA
    High
    Demerger Completion
    Energy Business Demerger
    completed
    High

    Industrial Automation order recovery

    October-December quarter (Q1 FY25)
    CurrentSlowdown due to destocking
    TargetBouncing back

    Why it matters

    Recovery in this segment is crucial for overall order inflow and growth, as it's currently impacted by destocking.

    Our projection is in the October-December quarter. They should start bouncing back there. But the demand in the market is pretty robust.

    How to verify

    order_book.inflow_this_quarter

    Risks & concerns

    2
    RiskSeverity

    Geo-political tensions

    Escalation in geo-political tensions poses downside risks to the economic scenario.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Slowdown in industrial automation ordering due to destocking

    Normalization of demand and destocking by channel partners led to a slowdown in ordering for industrial automation products, though profitability remains robust.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “So, no it pertains to something else. It does not pertain to locomotives or HVDC, there have been no tendering out for those products.”

    Clarifies that deferred orders were not from the high-profile locomotive or HVDC segments, indicating broader deferrals across other business areas.

    asked by Mohit Kumar - ICICI Securities

    3 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Robust Q2 FY24 Performance and H1 Growth

    Siemens Limited delivered a strong Q2 FY24, with revenue growing 19.3% driven by all businesses, notably Smart Infrastructure at 29% and Mobility at 59%. EBITDA reached 15%, marking a 240 bps increase year-on-year, attributed to volume growth, a positive product mix, and productivity measures. For the first half of FY24, revenue was up 20.6%, and the comparable EBITDA margin improved by 340 bps (excluding FX and Commodity Hedging impact). Profit before Tax for Q2 stood at 22.2%, with Profit after Tax at 17.1%, and Earnings per Share at Rs. 25.2.

    02

    Strategic CAPEX for Capacity Expansion

    The company announced significant CAPEX totaling over ₹1,000 crore, reinforcing its commitment to growth and localization. This includes ₹333 crore for expanding the Smart Infrastructure factory in Goa to produce Gas Insulated Switchgear and Clean Air GIS, and ₹186 crore for a new Metro train manufacturing facility in Aurangabad for the Mobility business. These investments are in addition to the ₹3,600 million announced in November 2023 for doubling power transmission capacity from 15 GVA to 30 GVA over the next 2-3 years, aiming to serve both domestic and global markets.

    03

    Demerger of Energy Business to Unlock Value

    The Board approved the demerger of the Energy Business into a separate listed entity, Siemens Energy India Limited, a move expected to be completed by CY 2025. Post-demerger, shareholders of Siemens Limited will receive one share of Siemens Energy India Limited for every share held. This strategic separation aims to create two strong, independent entities with sharper business and market focus, leveraging Siemens Energy AG's technology portfolio to support India's transition to a sustainable energy future, with Siemens Energy India Limited having a backlog of almost ₹100 billion.

    04

    Demand Environment and Competitive Landscape

    Management described the overall enquiry pipeline as robust, with strong demand in energy transmission, e-vehicle, and smart infrastructure. While some large orders were deferred from Q2 to Q3, the company's year-end order income growth plans remain intact. The industrial automation segment experienced a slowdown in ordering due to channel partner destocking, but profitability remains robust. Increased competitive activity is noted as a natural consequence of market growth, with Siemens aiming to maintain its market leadership by focusing on product and service offerings.

    05

    Mobility Business Investments and Margin Outlook

    The Mobility business, which recorded an EBITDA margin of 3.5% in FY23, is undergoing heavy investments in manufacturing capacity, including the new Metro train facility in Aurangabad. These investments are expected to impact profitability for the next couple of years. However, as volumes increase and new capacities come on stream, margins are projected to improve, with the company expecting to return to prior double-digit margin levels within a few years, driven by scaling up and operational efficiencies.

    06

    India as a Global Manufacturing and Export Hub

    Siemens is increasingly leveraging India as a manufacturing base for its global supply chains, particularly for Smart Infrastructure and Mobility. The new investments in Goa (GIS) and Aurangabad (Metro trains) are partly driven by export demand for sustainable products and global market needs. The energy business in India already exports to multiple markets, and the intent is to further expand this, utilizing India's capacity to serve global requirements as global capacity utilization is maxed out, demonstrating a significant appetite for manufacturing in India.

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