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    Siemens Limited

    SIEMENS
    Capital Goods·20 May 2025
    Management Summary

    Siemens Limited reported a mixed Q2 & H1 FY25, characterized by strong overall order growth of 43.5% YoY and a robust order backlog of ₹415 billion. Smart Infrastructure and Mobility segments were key growth drivers, with Mobility orders surging by nearly 300%. However, profitability was impacted by one-off items and demand normalization in Digital Industries. The company remains optimistic about the Indian economy and a pick-up in private sector CapEx, while also focusing on increasing export share and exploring options for its Low Voltage Motors business.

    Highlights

    5
    • New orders increased by 43.5% YoY in Q2 FY25, driven by growth across all segments except Low Voltage Motors.

    • The company maintains a healthy Book-to-Bill ratio of 1.25 and a robust order backlog of ₹415 billion, growing 7.2%.

    • Smart Infrastructure segment demonstrated strong performance with orders up 14% in Q2 and 11% in H1, and EBITDA margin improving to 16.3% in H1 FY25.

    • Mobility segment's H1 FY25 orders surged by almost 300% to ₹24.2 billion, including a significant ₹7.7 billion for 9K HP locomotive maintenance.

    • The 9000 HP locomotive project is on track for homologation and mass production, with plans to ramp up to 100 locomotives per year within three years.

    Concerns

    3
    • Reported Profit Before Tax (PBT) declined by 37.6% to ₹5.9 billion in Q2 FY25, and PAT declined by 37.1%, primarily due to an extraordinary gain in the prior year and ₹63 crores in demerger expenses.

    • Digital Industries segment experienced demand normalization, leading to a significant drop in EBITDA margin, though first signs of growth are now appearing.

    • The Low Voltage Motors business continues to face a weak market, price pressure, and declining new orders (down 6.9% in Q2), prompting a strategic review of its future.

    What Changed3

    vs Q2 FY26

    Guidance items4 → 7 (+3)Risks discussed4 → 5 (+1)Q&A highlights4 → 8 (+4)
    Key financials

    Metrics

    7

    Periods

    3

    Q2

    5
    • Revenue Growth
      2.5%
      YoY+2.5%
    • EBITDA
      12.5%
    • PBT
      $5.9B
      YoY-37.6%
    • Underlying PBT Growth
      -11%
      YoY-11%
    • PAT Growth
      -37.1%
      YoY-37.1%

    Q2 FY24

    1
    • Prior Year Extraordinary Gain
      ₹192 Cr

    Q2 FY25

    1
    • Demerger Expenses
      ₹63 Cr

    Segment breakdown

    Digital Industries
    6.1% Order Growth (Q2)120% Order Growth (H1)7.6 billion Order Intake (Q4 FY24)8.1 billion Order Intake (Q1 FY25)9.5 billion Order Intake (Q2 FY25)10 billion Revenue (Q2)1 ratio Book-to-Bill (Q2)6-8 % Historical Margins (FY19-FY21)
    Smart Infrastructure
    14% Orders Growth (Q2)11% Orders Growth (H1)6.6% Revenue Growth (Q2)6.8% Revenue Growth (H1)16.3% EBITDA Margin (H1 FY25)15.3% EBITDA Margin (H1 FY24)
    Mobility
    24.2 billion Orders (H1 FY25)6.1 billion Orders (H1 FY24)300% Order Growth (H1)7.7 billion 9K HP Loco Maintenance Order7.4 billion Revenue (Q2)-3% Revenue Growth (H1)7.2% EBITDA Margin (Q2)8.2% EBITDA Margin (H1 FY25)9.3% EBITDA Margin (H1 FY24)
    Low Voltage Motors
    -6.9% New Orders Growth (Q2)-6.6% New Orders Growth (H1)6% Revenue Growth (Q2)4.2% Revenue Growth (H1)9.5% EBITDA Margin (Q2)7.8% EBITDA Margin (YTD FY25)130 bps EBITDA Margin (YTD FY24)
    List

    Order Book

    high confidence

    Total Value

    ₹ 415 billion

    as of 2025-03-31

    quantified
    7.2% YoY

    "The order backlog is healthy and margin accretive, providing good visibility for future growth."

    Source:
    Prepared remarks

    Capital allocation

    2
    high confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    Capex

    Capex disclosed

    M&A

    Siemens Energy business

    divestment · closed · Consideration ₹NaN (cash)

    Guidance & targets

    6
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Volume
    Mobility 9000HP Locomotive Production
    5 to 20 to 60 to 100 locomotives
    Medium
    Volume
    9000HP Production per year
    100 locomotives
    High
    Export
    Export Share
    20%
    High
    Profitability
    Smart Infrastructure (SI) Margins
    increase
    Medium
    Profitability
    Mobility Margin Quality
    improve
    Medium
    Profitability
    Digital Industries (DI) Margins
    return to normalization levels
    Medium

    Digital Industries (DI) growth curve

    next couple of quarters
    CurrentBeginning to normalize with first signs of channel partners ordering
    TargetGrowth curve continues and picks up over time

    Why it matters

    DI normalization is a key concern, and its sustained recovery is crucial for overall performance and margin improvement.

    Is it too early to celebrate? I believe so, but we will watch in the next couple of quarters and see whether this growth curve continues and actually picks up over time.

    How to verify

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    Risks & concerns

    5
    RiskSeverity

    Geopolitical uncertainty and trade tensions

    Increasing trade tensions and geopolitical scenarios are disrupting supply chains and adding complexity to doing business globally.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Muted private sector CapEx

    Private sector CapEx remains slow, impacting demand for Digital Industries and other segments, though management expects a pick-up.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Digital Industries demand normalization

    The DI segment is undergoing a normalization cycle, impacting volumes and profitability, though first signs of growth are emerging.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Weak market and price pressure in Low Voltage Motors (LVM)

    LVM business faces continuous weak demand and price pressure, leading to declining new orders and prompting a strategic review.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Macroeconomic uncertainties and delayed decisions by end users

    Uncertainties are causing end users in conventional sectors to delay decisions, impacting order intake.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “The levers to expand the DI business. I think look this is very, very much very clearly a volume story... On CapEx and localization of instruments, we do not currently have any plans to localize pressure transfer transmitters and sensors and communication devices here. We do not yet see a business case to set up local manufacturing for that.”

    Clarifies that DI margin expansion is primarily volume-driven and that the company currently has no plans to localize specific instrumentation, indicating continued import reliance for these products.

    asked by Harshit Patel (Equirus)

    3 min read7 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Economic Outlook and Market Trends

    Management expressed a positive outlook on the Indian economy, expecting 6.5% growth for FY25. However, global geopolitical uncertainties and increasing trade tensions are disrupting supply chains and adding complexity to business. While private sector CapEx remains muted, public CapEx, particularly in power utilities, railways, metros, and water, continues to drive growth. Emerging verticals like electronics, semiconductors, batteries, and data centers also show sustained investment, with major players continuing their CapEx plans.

    02

    Overall Financial Performance (Q2 & H1 FY25)

    Siemens Limited reported a 2.5% revenue growth in Q2 FY25, with a healthy Book-to-Bill ratio of 1.25 and an order backlog of ₹415 billion, up 7.2%. Overall EBITDA was on track at 12.5%. However, reported Profit Before Tax (PBT) declined by 37.6% to ₹5.9 billion in Q2 FY25, and PAT declined by 37.1%. This was primarily due to an extraordinary gain📎 of ₹192 crores in Q2 FY24 and ₹63 crores in demerger expenses incurred in Q2 FY25. Excluding these one-off📎 items, underlying PBT declined by 11%.

    03

    Digital Industries (DI) Normalization and Outlook

    The Digital Industries segment is undergoing a normalization cycle globally, with H1 order growth at 1.2% and Q2 order growth at 6.1% (₹9.5 billion). Revenue in Q2 was flat YoY at ₹10 billion. The segment's EBITDA margin dropped significantly due to demand normalization, muted private sector CapEx, increased import prices, and changes in product/channel mix. Management noted that inventory levels are normalizing, and they are beginning to see the first signs of channel partners ordering, but it's considered too early to celebrate a full return to growth.

    04

    Smart Infrastructure (SI) Segment Strength and Margin Improvement

    The Smart Infrastructure business demonstrated consistent growth, with orders increasing by almost 14% in Q2 and 11% in H1. Revenue grew by 6.6% in Q2 and 6.8% in H1. The segment's EBITDA margin improved from 15.3% in H1 FY24 to 16.3% in H1 FY25, driven by product mix and stringent execution. C&S Electric, acquired in FY21, continues to grow profitably and contribute positively to this segment's performance, particularly in exports which saw double-digit growth.

    05

    Mobility Segment Growth and Execution Progress

    The Mobility segment saw a significant surge in H1 orders, reaching ₹24.2 billion, an increase of almost 300% YoY compared to ₹6.1 billion in the previous year. This included a significant ₹7.7 billion order for 9K HP locomotive maintenance. Q2 revenue was ₹7.4 billion, though H1 revenue was slightly down by 3.0% due to normal project delivery cycles. The 9000 HP locomotive project is on track, with homologation underway and mass production expected to ramp up from 5 to 20 to 60, and eventually 100 locomotives per year within three years.

    06

    Low Voltage Motors Business Review and Strategic Options

    The Low Voltage Motors (LVM) business continues to face a weak market with declining new orders (6.9% in Q2, 6.6% in H1) and price pressure. While Q2 revenue grew by 6%, the year-to-date EBITDA margin was 7.8%, down 130bps YoY. Following the sale of the global Innomotics business by Siemens AG to KPS Capital Partners, Siemens Limited will now explore options for the future of its LVM business, acknowledging its dependency on technical support from the global Innomotics business.

    07

    Demerger Impact and Export Strategy

    The Siemens Energy demerger was completed on March 1, 2025, with ₹25 billion in cash transferred to the Energy business as part of the allocation. Post-demerger, Siemens Limited aims to significantly increase its export share from the current 12% to 20% within three to five years, primarily driven by Smart Infrastructure and Mobility. The company is actively localizing production and adopting global technology, such as in the 9000 HP locomotives, to support this export strategy and leverage India as a global sourcing hub.

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