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    Subex

    SUBEXLTD
    Information Technology·8 May 2025
    Management Summary

    Subex reported Q4 FY25 results below expectations, with an 8% YoY revenue decline primarily from non-core business. However, the core telco business remained steady, achieving an 8% YoY margin expansion and turning normalized PAT positive for the quarter at INR 6.6 crores. The company focused on cost optimization, securing new wins, and addressing historical tech lag and execution challenges, while also recognizing an impairment allowance of INR 16.89 crores related to its Sectrio business.

    Highlights

    5
    • Q4 Normalized PAT turned positive at INR 6.6 crores, reflecting operational improvements.

    • EBITDA improved by INR 22 crores YoY, driven by cost optimization and productivity gains.

    • Core telco business maintained profitability with an 8% YoY margin expansion (from -4% to +4%).

    • Secured strong wins in Q4, including a new Hyper Sense fraud management product logo in Europe, and extended managed services contracts with two Tier-1 customers.

    • Achieved a 100% contract renewal rate, underscoring customer trust.

    Concerns

    4
    • Overall Q4 results were below expectations, with YoY revenue declining by 8%, primarily due to non-core business.

    • Delayed order closures, longer sales cycles, and slower decision-making due to macro conditions impacted revenue realization.

    • Recognized an impairment allowance of INR 16.89 crores on disputed trade receivables, specifically related to the Sectrio business.

    • The Secure/Sectrio division continued to be a drag on profitability, with ongoing efforts to reduce its burn.

    What Changed1

    vs Q1 FY26

    Guidance items3 → 2 (-1)

    Key financials

    Single quarter

    06 metrics
    1. 01Revenue (QoQ)₹70.6 Cr-2.9%QoQ
    2. 02Normalized EBITDA (QoQ)₹5.3 Cr+32.5%QoQ
    3. 03Normalized PAT (QoQ)₹6.6 Cr
    4. 04Revenue (FY)₹285.6 Cr-7.8%YoY
    5. 05Normalized EBITDA (FY)₹6.5 Cr

    Order Book

    low confidence

    Pipeline

    deal pipeline tcv

    Expecting a lot of closures in H1 this year from contracts that were moved.

    "Management secured strong wins and achieved 100% contract renewal, but delayed order closures due to macro conditions impacted revenue realization, with many contracts pushed to H1 FY26."

    Source:
    Prepared remarks

    Capital allocation

    2
    medium confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    M&A

    ID Central

    divestment · closed

    Liquidity

    Liquidity disclosed

    Cash reserves remain healthy, providing flexibility in an uncertain environment.

    Guidance & targets

    2
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Revenue
    Quarterly Revenue
    ₹100 crores
    Medium
    Margin
    Operating Margin
    10% to 17%
    Medium

    H1 Deal Closures

    H1 FY26
    CurrentMany contracts moved from prior quarters
    TargetSignificant closures in H1 FY26

    Why it matters

    Indicates revenue realization and pipeline conversion, crucial for top-line growth.

    a lot of contracts that got moved for us, we are expecting a lot of closures in H1 this year.

    How to verify

    order_book.inflow_this_quarter

    Risks & concerns

    5
    RiskSeverity

    Delayed Order Closures due to Macro Conditions

    Sales cycles have become longer and decision-making slower due to ongoing macro conditions, impacting conversion timelines and revenue realization.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Sectrio Business Drag and Impairment

    The Secure/Sectrio division continued to be a drag on profitability, leading to an INR 16.89 crores impairment allowance on disputed trade receivables, with active efforts to reduce the burn.Management acknowledged

    high

    Historical Tech Lag and Underinvestment

    The company accumulated significant tech lag during a turbulent period (2012-2018) due to insufficient investment, which impacted competitiveness and growth.Management acknowledged

    high

    Execution Challenges

    Subex has historically faced significant execution issues, which management is actively working to improve internally.Management acknowledged

    high

    Potential Impact of Tariffs on Telcos

    If tariffs come into effect, telcos' network investments could be impacted, potentially affecting Subex's business indirectly.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “So, in Sectrio, there were two big contracts, as I had mentioned. So, one of the contracts, actually, we have been able to pre-close... But I think at the very bare minimum, we might have, you know, a 300k for sure.”

    Clarifies the status of problematic non-core contracts and quantifies the expected cash burn for the remaining one.

    asked by Jitendra Bhutoria

    3 min read8 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Q4 FY25 Financial Performance and Annual Overview

    Subex reported Q4 FY25 revenue of INR 70.6 crores, a slight decrease from INR 72.7 crores in the previous quarter. Normalized EBITDA for Q4 stood at INR 5.3 crores, a 32.5% increase QoQ from INR 4.0 crores. Notably, normalized PAT turned positive at INR 6.6 crores in Q4, compared to a negative INR 1.78 crores QoQ. For the full fiscal year FY25, revenue was INR 285.6 crores, an 8% YoY decline from INR 309.7 crores in FY24, primarily due to non-core business. Normalized EBITDA for FY25 was INR 6.5 crores, a significant improvement from a negative INR 9.5 crores in FY24.

    02

    Core Telco Business Resilience and Margin Expansion

    Despite overall revenue decline, the core telco business demonstrated resilience, maintaining steady performance and achieving profitability. The company reported an 8% YoY margin expansion in its core telco business, moving from -4% to +4%. This improvement underscores the strength and focus within the organization, allowing for reinvestment for growth. Management emphasized its focus on bringing the core telco business back to profitability.

    03

    Challenges in Order Closure and Macroeconomic Headwinds

    The company faced challenges on the growth front due to delayed closure of order intakes in earlier quarters. Sales cycles in the telco sector have become longer, and decision-making has slowed due to ongoing macroeconomic conditions. This impacted conversion timelines, causing deals expected in Q1 to materialize later in Q3, affecting revenue realization. Management noted that many contracts were pushed out and are now expected to close in H1 FY26.

    04

    Sectrio Business Restructuring and Impairment

    The Secure division, particularly the Sectrio business, continued to be a drag on profitability. As part of a strategy to deprioritize non-core initiatives, Subex divested ID Central via a slump sale in Q1 FY25. The company recognized an impairment allowance of INR 16.89 crores on disputed trade receivables, specifically from a pre-closed Sectrio contract. This provision was made on a prudent and cautionary basis, in line with internal accounting policies for receivables exceeding 365 days, though management expects to recover the money.

    05

    Strategic Focus on AI/GenAI and Market Opportunities

    Subex is doubling down on embedding advanced AI and GenAI across its solutions to stay ahead of evolving threats and deliver more value. In Q4, the company secured strong wins, including a new Hyper Sense fraud management product logo in Europe, and extended managed services contracts. The AI agent market is projected to grow at a 45% CAGR to $5 billion, while the fraud management market in telcos is a $39 billion market growing at 39% CAGR. Subex is also expanding into telco fintech adjacencies, leveraging its existing relationships and products.

    06

    Cost Optimization and Productivity Improvements

    Significant progress was made on cost optimization, leading to an INR 22 crores EBITDA improvement. Over the past two years, employee productivity has improved by 31%, driven by a systematic approach to talent effectiveness, operational discipline, and digital enablement. This has lowered the fixed cost breakeven point, making the company more competitive and financially resilient. Efforts included manpower optimization, aligning R&D spend, and optimizing facilities, such as consolidating office floors.

    07

    Investor Engagement and Transparency Initiatives

    Following investor feedback, management acknowledged the need for more proactive communication regarding new developments, particularly around AI agents and LLM solutions, to improve market perception. The company agreed to increase engagement with analysts and investors, including organizing an Investor Day in Q2 FY26. This commitment aims to provide greater visibility into the company's strategic direction and operational progress.

    08

    Addressing Historical Challenges and Future Growth Ambition

    Management candidly discussed historical challenges, including a significant 'tech lag' accumulated between 2012-2018 and execution issues, which contributed to past stagnation. The current focus is on fixing fundamentals, generating cash, and reinvesting in the core portfolio to drive future growth. The ambition is to achieve a ₹100 crore revenue quarter and reach an operating margin in the 10% to 17% benchmark range, emphasizing that top-line growth is now the primary lever for sustained profitability.

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