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    CMS Info Systems

    CMSINFO
    Services·6 Feb 2025
    Management Summary

    CMS Info Systems reported a steady Q3 FY25 with PAT growing 7% YoY to ₹93.2 crores, driven by strong Cash Logistics performance and margin expansion. Despite flat consolidated revenue and a decline in MS & Tech Solutions, the company saw market share gains and secured new strategic wins. Execution delays in the PSU order book impacted FY25 revenue guidance, but management remains optimistic for FY26 growth and mid-term opportunities.

    Highlights

    5
    • PAT grew 7% YoY to ₹93.2 crores, with PAT margin expanding 140 bps to 16%.

    • Cash Logistics segment revenue grew 8% YoY to ₹404 crores, achieving a robust 25.6% EBIT margin.

    • Market share in Cash Logistics segment increased from 40% to 42%.

    • Retail business grew 15% year-to-date, driven by aggressive thrust.

    • Secured breakthrough wins in Managed Services and Tech, including a large end-to-end fixed fee outsourcing contract with a leading private bank and an AIoT remote monitoring deployment for a quick commerce customer.

    Concerns

    4
    • Consolidated revenue was flat YoY at ₹581.5 crores.

    • MS & Tech Solutions revenue declined ~10% primarily due to lower banking automation revenue.

    • FY25 revenue estimate revised down by ₹150 crores due to unexpected delays in large PSU order book execution.

    • Order book execution faced delays due to OEM replacements, testing cycles, and incumbent vendor handover issues.

    What Changed2

    vs Q1 FY26

    Guidance items4 → 11 (+7)Risks discussed7 → 5 (-2)
    Key financials

    Metrics

    7

    Periods

    2

    Headline

    5
    • Consolidated Revenue
      ₹581.5 Cr
      YoY0%
    • Service Revenue Growth
      YoY+3%
    • PAT
      ₹93.2 Cr
      YoY+7.0%
    • PAT Margin
      16%
    • PAT Margin Expansion
      140 bps

    9M

    2
    • FY25 Revenue Growth
      YoY+10%
    • FY25 PAT Growth
      YoY+7.0%

    Segment breakdown

    • Cash Logistic business₹404 Cr65.8%
    • Managed Services and Technology Solution business₹210 Cr34.2%
    Donut· Share of Revenue

    Capital allocation

    7
    high confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    Capex

    ₹150 crores

    new plan

    Debt

    Debt disclosed

    Dividend

    ₹3.25/share (interim)

    M&A

    Deal

    acquisition · pending regulatory

    M&A

    Deal

    acquisition · abandoned

    Guidance & targets

    11
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Revenue
    Overall Revenue Growth
    13% to 15% CAGR
    High
    Revenue
    Cash Logistics Business Growth
    10% to 13%
    High
    Revenue
    MS and Tech Business Growth
    upwards of 15%
    High
    Revenue
    AIoT RMS Business Growth
    15% to 20% CAGR
    High
    Revenue
    FY25 Revenue Estimate
    ~₹2,450 crores
    High
    Revenue
    FY26 Services Revenue Growth
    15% plus
    High
    Order Book
    PSU Order Book Execution
    60% live
    High
    Profitability
    AIoT Business IRR
    18% to 25%
    High
    Revenue Mix
    BLA Revenue Share
    less than 10%
    High
    Revenue Mix
    Software and RMS Business Share of Revenue
    10%
    High
    Revenue Mix
    MS & Tech Recurring Revenue Percentage
    almost 85%
    High

    PSU Order Book Execution Progress

    Q4 FY25
    Current30% completed by Q3 FY25
    Target60% live by Q4 FY25

    Why it matters

    Crucial for meeting revised FY25 revenue expectations and setting the stage for FY26 growth.

    Our focus remains on getting 60% of this order book live by Q4.

    How to verify

    guidance_and_targets[metric='PSU Order Book Execution']

    Risks & concerns

    5
    RiskSeverity

    ATM base disruption due to instability at a key industry player

    Disruption in Q3 due to instability at a key industry player led to banks transitioning base to stronger market players.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Delays in large PSU order book execution

    Unexpected delays in the INR 1,900 crore plus PSU order book execution resulted in INR 150 crores lower revenue for FY25.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Operational intensity and distraction due to market player transition

    Heightened operational intensity as banks transition from an affected market player, causing distraction and potentially delaying other projects.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Order book execution delays (OEM, testing, handover)

    Delays caused by OEM replacements, extensive testing cycles (NPCI, Visa, Master), and incumbent vendors delaying handovers.Management acknowledged

    medium

    NBFC loan situation impacting debt collection M&A

    Debt collection business M&A put on pause due to the NBFC loan situation and NPA at personal loans.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “I think the right time to discuss the FY '26-'27 sort of trajectory would be the Investor Day... whenever we have seen any impact to a company, for whatever reasons, it's natural to expect that customers will move business to stronger players and be careful.”

    Analyst sought clarity on long-term growth and potential M&A from competitor distress, management deferred specific long-term guidance but acknowledged market shifts.

    asked by Balaji Subramanian

    3 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Q3 FY25 Performance Overview

    CMS Info Systems reported a flat year-on-year consolidated revenue of ₹581.5 crores for Q3 FY25, though service revenue grew by 3%. Despite this, the company achieved a 7% YoY growth in PAT, reaching ₹93.2 crores, with the PAT margin expanding by 140 basis points to 16%. For the nine months of FY25, the company delivered 10% revenue growth and 7% PAT growth, demonstrating consistent performance amidst market challenges🌐.

    02

    Segmental Performance: Cash Logistics and Managed Services & Technology

    The Cash Logistics business recorded a strong Q3 FY25, with revenue growing 8% YoY to ₹404 crores and EBIT increasing 6% to ₹103 crores, yielding a robust 25.6% margin. The company's market share in this segment expanded from 40% to 42%. Conversely, the Managed Services and Technology Solution business saw a revenue decline of approximately 10% to ₹210 crores, primarily due to lower banking automation revenue. Despite the decline, this segment maintained an EBIT of ₹38 crores and a margin of 17.9%, and has grown 2.2 times in the last three years, now contributing 40% of total revenue.

    03

    Order Book Execution and FY25 Revenue Impact

    The company's large PSU order book, initially estimated at over ₹1,900 crores, faced significant execution delays. While 15% was completed by H1 FY25, progress ramped up to 30% by Q3. Management aims to achieve 60% live execution by Q4 FY25. These delays, attributed to OEM replacements, extensive testing cycles, and incumbent vendor handover issues, are expected to result in a ₹150 crore reduction from the initial FY25 revenue estimate of ₹2,600 crores.

    04

    Strategic Initiatives and Growth Drivers

    CMS Info Systems is aggressively focusing on the retail sector, which has seen 15% year-to-date growth. The company secured breakthrough wins in Managed Services and Tech, including a large end-to-end fixed fee outsourcing contract with a leading private bank and an AIoT remote monitoring deployment for a quick commerce customer. Investments in technology, automation, and risk management have expanded margin profiles, with AIoT and RMS businesses showing an IRR of 18-25%. The company aims for its Software and RMS business to grow from 7% to 10% of overall revenue by FY27.

    05

    Capital Allocation and Shareholder Returns

    The company's CAPEX for the first nine months of FY25 was ₹50 crores, with an expectation to reach ₹150-200 crores for the full year, primarily directed towards the MS segment for order execution. Management reiterated its preference for a debt-free balance sheet and a strategy of organic growth in core businesses, while remaining open to accretive acquisitions. An interim dividend of ₹3.25 per share was declared, reflecting the company's commitment to shareholder returns.

    06

    Market Dynamics and Competitive Landscape

    The ATM base experienced disruption in Q3 due to instability at a key industry player, leading to banks transitioning business to stronger players. This situation presents both an opportunity for CMS to gain market share and grow its MS and Tech Solutions with private sector banks, but also causes operational intensity and distraction. The company is cautious on the BLA business, shifting focus to fixed-price contracts with inflation-linked pricing, and aims to reduce BLA's revenue share to less than 10% from the previous target of less than 15%.

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