Kirloskar Oil Engines Limited — Q2 FY25 earnings call

Call held 13 Nov 2024

Management summary

Kirloskar Oil Engines reported a steady Q2 FY25 with robust stand-alone net sales growth of 13% year-on-year, reaching INR1,184 crores, driven primarily by strong B2B performance, especially in Powergen. Consolidated revenue also saw a 15% increase to INR1,500 crores. Margins improved significantly, with stand-alone EBITDA margin at 12% (14% reported). However, the B2C segment experienced a 13% decline due to a planned plant transition and softened demand, which management expects to stabilize by December. The company is cautiously navigating new emission norms and focusing on high horsepower gensets and international expansion.

Highlights

  • Stand-alone net sales grew 13% YoY to INR1,184 crores.

  • Stand-alone EBITDA at INR148 crores, up 35% YoY, with a 12% margin (14% reported including recovery).

  • Stand-alone net profit (excl. one-time items) was INR98 crores, up 48% YoY.

  • Consolidated revenue from operations grew 15% YoY to INR1,500 crores.

  • Consolidated net profit (excl. exceptional items) was INR106 crores, up 23% YoY (INR125 crores reported).

  • B2B segment stand-alone sales grew 17% YoY to INR1,059 crores, with Powergen up 34%.

  • B2C segment stand-alone sales declined 13% YoY to INR125 crores due to plant transition and demand softness.

  • Arka Fincap revenue grew 54% YoY to INR195 crores, with AUM at INR6,284 crores.

Key financials

  1. Stand-alone Net Sales ₹1,184 Cr +13%YoY
  2. Stand-alone EBITDA ₹148 Cr +35%YoY
  3. Stand-alone EBITDA Margin 12%
  4. Stand-alone Net Profit (excl. one-time) ₹98 Cr +48%YoY
  5. Consolidated Revenue from Operations ₹1,500 Cr +15%YoY
  6. Consolidated Net Profit (excl. exceptional) ₹106 Cr +23%YoY

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 13.5%, net profit down 20.1% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue1,505 1,454 1,749 1,762 1,948 +29%1,873 +29%2,116 +21%2,000 +14%
EBITDA298 255 312 327 382 +28%331 +30%376 +21%300 −8%
Net profit125 68 127 139 159 +27%109 +60%155 +22%111 −20%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

Share of Revenue
₹1,500 Cr Total
  • B2B Segment (Consolidated) ₹1,075 Cr 71.7%
  • B2C Segment (Consolidated) ₹230 Cr 15.3%
  • Financial Services (Arka) ₹195 Cr 13.0%

Guidance & targets

Vision

  • Long-term revenue Vision · Long term · Medium confidence $2 billion
    setting our sights on the long term to be $2 billion vision I had mentioned in the last call.

    — Gauri Kirloskar, Managing Director

Stand-alone Revenue

  • Annual Revenue Growth Stand-alone Revenue · FY25 · Medium confidence Achieving aspirational target
    The target is certainly something that we're still gunning for, and we will continue to gun for and strive to achieve. All of our teams are excited about the target. It has excited them thus far. And I think that it's certainly within reach.

    — Gauri Kirloskar, Managing Director

Exports

  • Revenue Growth Exports · FY25 · High confidence Growing beyond last year
    We are very committed to growing beyond last year.

    — Rahul Sahai, B2B Chief Executive Officer

Market context

  • EBITDA Margin B2C Profitability · by Q4 FY25 · High confidence Double-digit
    our aspiration is to go to double-digit EBITDA for B2C business, and we are confident that we'll be there very soon.

    — Aseem Srivastav, B2C Chief Executive Officer

Risks & concerns

  • Slower demand in Power Generation segment post CPCB IV+ transition due to market adjustment to new pricing and prebuy correction.

    medium

    Industry Powergen volume dipped 12-15% in Q2 FY25; management is observing market trends over next few quarters.

    Management acknowledged

  • Production lag and sales loss in B2C segment due to planned plant transition to the new Sanand facility.

    medium

    B2C sales declined 13% YoY and segment registered a loss; management expects production to stabilize by December.

    Management acknowledged

  • Challenges in international B2B Powergen due to changing power scenarios in key markets like South Africa.

    medium

    International B2B revenue declined 2% YoY; lower uptake in South Africa due to improving power situation.

    Management acknowledged

  • Increased competitive intensity in Powergen, particularly in low and mid kVA nodes, as more players enter CPCB IV+ markets.

    medium

    Management noted competition from established players like Mahindra and is watchful of evolving market dynamics.

    Both acknowledged

Areas of evasion (3)

  • Arka Fincap's potential hive-off
  • Specific Powergen volume growth numbers
  • Kirloskar Brothers legal matters

Q&A highlights

1 direct
Arka Fincap's long-term strategy and potential hive-off into a separate entity. Partial
Gauri Kirloskar: But it's not something that I will be able to comment on in terms of hiving off or not. Samrat Gupta: my objective is to build granularity of the retail book and that, too, in secured businesses, like places which are relating to small ticket, loan against properties, places which are fully secured.

Analysts are seeking clarity on the strategic future and value unlocking for Arka Fincap, but management is not ready to commit on a structural change.

Asked by Jason

Powergen segment's volume growth and pricing dynamics following the CPCB IV+ emission norms implementation. Direct
Rahul Sahai: Powergen volume overall for the industry dipped by almost 12% to 15%... we see the pricing hold, but the market is constantly evolving, and we are watchful of that.

This question reveals the immediate impact of regulatory changes on industry volumes and the company's pricing strategy in a competitive environment.

Asked by Mihir Manohar

The sequential decline in the industrial business revenue and whether the growth rate is tapering off. Partial
Manish Goyal: Q1 numbers, it was INR320 crores revenue. And this quarter, it is just INR253 crores revenue. Rahul Sahai: industrial business has not declined Y-o-Y... H1 of this year versus last year, there is significant growth of 23%. So the quarter-on-quarter movement will keep happening, and that is not something that we are extremely worried about.

Highlights a potential short-term slowdown in a key segment (Industrial) despite management's positive H1 view, raising questions about quarter-on-quarter momentum.

Asked by Manish Goyal

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Detailed narrative

Q2 FY25 Performance Overview: Strong B2B, B2C Challenges

Kirloskar Oil Engines reported a robust Q2 FY25 with stand-alone net sales growing 13% year-on-year to INR1,184 crores, despite an 11% quarter-on-quarter decline influenced by Q1 prebuy volumes. Consolidated revenue from operations increased by 15% year-on-year to INR1,500 crores. The B2B segment was a key driver, with stand-alone sales up 17% to INR1,059 crores, including a 34% increase in Powergen revenue. Conversely, the B2C segment experienced a 13% year-on-year decline in stand-alone sales to INR125 crores, primarily due to a planned plant transition and softened demand.

Margin Expansion and Profitability Growth

The company demonstrated significant margin improvement in Q2 FY25. Stand-alone EBITDA grew 35% year-on-year to INR148 crores, with the EBITDA margin expanding to 12% (14% including one-time recoveries), up from 10% in Q2 FY24. Stand-alone net profit, excluding one-time provisions, increased 48% year-on-year to INR98 crores. Consolidated net profit, excluding exceptional items, also rose 23% year-on-year to INR106 crores, reflecting the positive impact of B2B performance and strategic initiatives.

B2C Segment Transition and Future Outlook

The B2C segment's decline was attributed to a production lag caused by the transition to a new state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in Sanand, Gujarat, which consolidated five previous units. This segment registered an approximate loss of INR6 crores before interest and tax. Management expects production to stabilize by December, reaching around 60% of mean capacity in November. The aspiration is to achieve double-digit EBITDA margins for the B2C business by Q4 FY25, driven by cost efficiencies and improved delivery times from the new facility.

Arka Fincap's Strategic Direction and Growth

Arka Fincap, the financial services arm, continued its strong growth trajectory, with revenue increasing 54% year-on-year to INR195 crores. Assets Under Management (AUM) stood at INR6,284 crores as of September 30, 2024. The new MD, Samrat Gupta, outlined a strategy to build a more granular, secured retail book, shifting emphasis from the current wholesale book. While a potential hive-off was raised by analysts, management stated it was not ready to comment on such plans, focusing instead on balancing wholesale and retail growth and ensuring strong ROA metrics.

Navigating CPCB IV+ Norms and Market Dynamics

The Power Generation segment is adjusting to the new CPCB IV+ emission norms, which led to a 12-15% industry-wide volume dip in Q2 FY25 as the market adapted to new pricing levels and corrected for prior prebuy sales. Management noted that pricing has held so far but remains watchful of evolving market dynamics and increasing competition from established players in various kVA nodes. The company is confident in its product portfolio and aims to maintain its dominant position, particularly in high horsepower gensets, where its share has grown from less than 4% to over 15-20% of the portfolio.

International Expansion and High Horsepower Focus

Kirloskar Oil is strategically focusing on international business expansion and high horsepower (HHP) gensets. While B2B international revenue saw a slight 2% decline due to challenges in markets like South Africa, B2C international business nearly doubled to INR13 crores. The company is actively shipping its K4300 platform (1,500 kVA) to international markets and has executed orders for 2,000 kVA gensets in Dubai. Efforts are underway to obtain necessary certifications (e.g., EPA for the US market) to penetrate more advanced markets, with a commitment to growing exports beyond last year's levels.

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