R Systems International Limited — Q3 FY25 earnings call

Call held 14 Feb 2025

Management summary

R Systems International Limited reported a strong close to Calendar Year 2024, with full-year revenue reaching Rs. 1,741.7 crore, growing 4.6% year-on-year excluding one-time fees. Adjusted EBITDA expanded by 200 basis points to 16.7%, driven by operational efficiencies and a peak utilization rate of 82%. The company is optimistic about carrying growth momentum into 2025, fueled by increased deal activity, strategic investments in AI and cloud capabilities, and an enhanced go-to-market posture including new GCC offerings.

Highlights

  • CY2024 Revenue: Rs. 1,741.7 crore ($208 million), up 4.6% YoY (excl. one-time BOT fee).

  • CY2024 Adjusted EBITDA: Rs. 291 crore ($34.8 million), up 18.7% YoY (excl. one-time BOT fee).

  • CY2024 EBITDA Margin: 16.7%, expanded 200 basis points YoY.

  • Q4 CY24 Revenue: Rs. 449 crore ($53.2 million), up 7.8% YoY and 1.1% QoQ.

  • Q4 CY24 Operating EBITDA: Rs. 80 crore ($9.5 million), up 24.6% YoY.

  • Q4 CY24 Net Profit: Rs. 39 crore ($4.6 million).

  • Utilization Rate: Peak at 82%, expected to be maintained.

  • DSO: Stable at 61 days.

Key financials

2 periods

Headline

  • Revenue (CY2024)
    ₹1,741.7 Cr
    YoY +3.4%
  • Adjusted EBITDA (CY2024)
    ₹291 Cr
    YoY +18.7%
  • EBITDA Margin (CY2024)
    16.7%
  • Net Profit (CY2024)
    ₹131.2 Cr
    YoY -6.3%
  • Basic EPS (CY2024)
    ₹11.09
    YoY -6.3%
  • Gross Margin (CY2024)
    35.9%
  • DSO
    61 days
  • Utilization Rate
    82%
  • Effective Consolidated Tax Rate (CY2024)
    31%

Q4 CY24

  • Revenue
    ₹449 Cr
    YoY +7.8% QoQ +1.1%
  • Operating EBITDA
    ₹80 Cr
    YoY +24.6% QoQ +0.6%
  • Operating EBITDA Margin
    17.8%
  • Net Profit
    ₹39 Cr

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 30.3%, net profit down 26.3% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue444 449 442 462 499 +12%555 +24%575 +30%602 +30%
EBITDA68 71 71 70 72 +6%94 +32%104 +46%111 +59%
Net profit40 39 39 76 35 −12%36 −8%65 +67%56 −26%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Revenue Growth

  • Market-leading growth Revenue Growth · CY2025 · Medium confidence Market-leading growth
    Historically and now also we haven't provided guidance, but I have always maintained that our ambition is to hit market-leading growth... all efforts in building up the Company, the capability and our posturing to the market is to target towards a market-leading growth delivery for the year.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Profitability

  • Adjusted EBITDA Margin Profitability · CY2025 · High confidence 16.7%
    On the EBITDA front, the yearly EBITDA before RSUs is 16.7%... from a model perspective, you can assume around the same i.e. 16.7%.

    — Nand Sardana, Chief Financial Officer

Revenue

  • Total Revenue Revenue · next 3-4 years · High confidence $500 million
    We had a $500 million target in the next three to four years. So, are we still in line with that or are we adjusting that in any way because of the kind of growth we see? We are not adjusting that because, that has been sort of the goalpost that we have created for ourselves.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Headcount

  • Headcount Growth Headcount · CY2025 · Medium confidence in line with revenue growth
    headcount growth will be in line with the revenue growth. We are not looking for building a huge bench. So, whatever revenue growth we are looking at, we will be adding more people.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Tax Rate

  • Effective Consolidated Tax Rate Tax Rate · CY2025/2026 · High confidence 27-28%
    Excluding this [intangible amortization], the effective tax rate would be between 27 to 28%.

    — Nand Sardana, Chief Financial Officer

Risks & concerns

  • Geopolitical uncertainty and inflationary pressures impacting revenue growth

    medium

    The geopolitical uncertainty and inflationary pressures impacted our revenue growth this year.

    Management acknowledged

  • Market sentiment and discretionary spend dependency for growth

    medium

    Our business is largely project-based and based on discretionary spend and that is a prime reason why we are so dependent on the market sentiment for being able to get that kind of growth.

    Management acknowledged

  • Lower billing days in Q4 impacting quarterly revenue

    low

    Q4 is normally a soft quarter, also has two lower billing days, which typically has an impact about 3% or $1.3 million for the quarterly revenues.

    Management acknowledged

  • US administration policy uncertainty

    low

    Despite some of the uncertainty because of changing policies with the new U.S. administration, etc., we are actually quite optimistic of carrying the growth momentum into 2025.

    Management acknowledged

  • Vendor consolidation trend in the IT services industry

    low

    Management argues their focus on product development and R&D shields them from the typical consolidation seen in BPO/managed services.

    Analyst downplayed

Areas of evasion (2)

  • Specific quantitative revenue growth guidance for CY25
  • ACV/TCV data

Q&A highlights

2 direct, 1 evasive
CY2025 Revenue Growth Guidance (Double-digit?) Evasive
Historically and now also we haven't provided guidance, but I have always maintained that our ambition is to hit market-leading growth... Right now, it may be too early to say because we are coming out of a lean year.

Analysts pressed for specific growth targets for the upcoming year, but management refrained from providing a quantitative outlook, citing it's too early after a 'lean year'.

Asked by Nikhil (Kizuna Wealth)

Impact of Productivity Benefits/AI on Margins and Pricing Pressure Direct
So far, not. And I think there is a clear distinction to be made because the productivity benefits and expectation of passing on productivity benefits largely, exists in a managed services space... Bulk of our work happens to be Product Development and product R&D or re-platforming or modernization, which are all projects in nature.

Addresses a key sector concern about AI-driven productivity gains leading to pricing pressure. Management clarifies their project-based R&D work is less susceptible than managed services.

Asked by Mihir Manohar (Carnelian Asset Management)

Vendor Consolidation Risk and R Systems' Shielding Direct
So, if you look at what happens in vendor consolidation deals and what kind of deals typically get consolidated are either BPO or managed services... R Systems is largely shielded from a vendor consolidation risk because of the nature of work.

Addresses a significant industry trend that could impact smaller players. Management explains why their focus on product development and R&D makes them less vulnerable to such consolidation.

Asked by Omkar Sawant (Marcellus Investment Managers)

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Detailed narrative

Strong CY2024 Performance with Margin Expansion

R Systems International Limited closed Calendar Year 2024 with a revenue of Rs. 1,741.7 crore ($208 million), marking a 4.6% year-on-year growth excluding a one-time BOT transfer fee. Adjusted EBITDA reached Rs. 291 crore ($34.8 million), an 18.7% increase year-on-year (excluding the BOT fee), leading to a 200 basis point expansion in EBITDA margin to 16.7%. This improvement was primarily driven by enhanced operational efficiencies and a peak utilization rate of 82%.

Q4 CY24 Growth and Profitability

For the fourth quarter of CY2024, the company reported a revenue of Rs. 449 crore ($53.2 million), reflecting a 7.8% year-on-year growth and a 1.1% quarter-on-quarter increase. Operating EBITDA for the quarter stood at Rs. 80 crore ($9.5 million), growing 24.6% year-on-year, with an operating EBITDA margin of 17.8%. Net profit after tax for Q4 was Rs. 39 crore ($4.6 million), despite a Rs. 7.9 crore impact from lower billing days compared to Q3.

Strategic Investments and Partnership Enhancements

The company significantly strengthened its market position through strategic investments and partnerships. It achieved CMMI Level 5, PCMM Level 5, ISO 9001:2015 & ISO 27001:2013 certifications and was recognized as a Top 10 Leading AWS partner. Partnerships with Microsoft and Salesforce were elevated, with Salesforce moving to Crest partner status. These efforts, coupled with the addition of nine key leaders across management functions, aim to build deeper capabilities in AI, cloud, and security.

Focus on GCCs and Differentiated Offerings

R Systems is actively pursuing the growing trend of Global Capability Centers (GCCs), offering a playbook for mid-sized enterprises to establish and scale their India operations. Management highlighted that their project-based product development and R&D work, which constitutes the bulk of their business, provides a shield against the pricing pressures and vendor consolidation risks prevalent in managed services. New offerings include modernization solutions, Chaos Engineering Integrated DR Model, and Power BI migration services.

Client Mining and Pipeline Health

The company reported a positive trend in client acquisition and pipeline health, with deals over $0.5 million in revenue growing by more than 50% during the year. They are now responding to over double-digit RFPs each quarter, a significant increase from single digits two years ago. New ISV clients, including some valued over $1 billion, were signed, and the company continues to add 1-2 clients per quarter from the Blackstone channel, bringing the total to 14 active clients in Q4.

Financial Health and Capital Allocation

R Systems maintains a stable balance sheet with equity attributable to shareholders at Rs. 624.1 crore and cash and bank balances at Rs. 196.1 crore. Days Sales Outstanding (DSO) remained consistent at 61 days. The company's effective consolidated tax rate for CY2024 was 31%, with an adjusted rate of 27-28% excluding non-tax deductible amortization. Management reiterated its openness to inorganic growth, leveraging Blackstone's backing for scouting, valuation, and funding of potential acquisitions.

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