R Systems International Limited — Q4 FY25 earnings call

Call held 9 May 2025

Management summary

R Systems International reported a 'bittersweet' Q1 FY25, experiencing a slight sequential revenue degrowth due to global uncertainties and delayed client decision-making. However, the company achieved robust YoY growth in adjusted EBITDA and PAT, driven by operational efficiencies and strong deal wins. Management expressed confidence in its pipeline, strategic initiatives like GCC offerings and AI partnerships, and expects to grow above industry average in 2025, despite ongoing market volatility.

Highlights

  • Revenue for Q1 FY25 was INR 442.5 crores ($51.1 million), a 1.5% QoQ degrowth and 6.2% YoY increase.

  • Adjusted EBITDA stood at INR 76.8 crores, marking a 28.1% YoY growth in INR terms.

  • Adjusted EBITDA margin was 17.4%, an improvement of 296 basis points YoY.

  • Adjusted PAT increased by 36.2% YoY to INR 43.4 crores, with an adjusted PAT percentage of 9.8%.

  • Adjusted Basic EPS rose 36.1% YoY to INR 3.7 per share.

  • The company declared an interim dividend of INR 6 per share for FY25.

  • Net headcount increased by 50 employees in Q1, with gross additions being healthy.

  • Utilization rate remained high at 83-84%.

Concerns

  • Global uncertainties and tariff-induced challenges leading to delayed client decision-making and discretionary spend cancellation.

  • Uncertain macro-outlook, particularly in the US, impacting the conversion of deals into revenue.

  • High market volatility impacting business operations and client spending.

Key financials

  1. Revenue ₹442.5 Cr +6.2%YoY
  2. Adjusted EBITDA ₹76.8 Cr +28.1%YoY
  3. Adjusted EBITDA Margin 17.4%
  4. Adjusted PAT ₹43.4 Cr +36.2%YoY
  5. Adjusted Basic EPS ₹3.7 +36.1%YoY
  6. Gross Margin 36.7%
  7. Utilization Rate 83.5%
  8. Net Headcount Addition 50 employees

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 30.3%, net profit down 26.3% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue444 449 442 462 499 +12%555 +24%575 +30%602 +30%
EBITDA68 71 71 70 72 +6%94 +32%104 +46%111 +59%
Net profit40 39 39 76 35 −12%36 −8%65 +67%56 −26%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Guidance & targets

Dividend

  • Interim Dividend Dividend · FY25 · High confidence INR 6 per share
    The board at its meeting held yesterday has declared an interim dividend for the year '25 of INR 6 per share.

    — Nand Sardana, CFO

Profitability

  • Adjusted EBITDA Margin Profitability · Annual · Medium confidence 16.7%
    last year's annual EBITDA rate is something we are quite confident of managing and maintaining and being able to deliver to that. Last year we reported 16.7% EBITDA, so, we believe that that rate we will certainly be able to manage and deliver.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

  • Adjusted EBITDA Margin Profitability · Near term · Medium confidence maintain levels
    we would be able to maintain, the adjusted EBITDA margin levels.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Revenue

  • Revenue Growth Revenue · CY25 · Medium confidence above industry average
    We should certainly be able to come above the industry growth rate.

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Headcount

  • Net Additions Headcount · Coming few quarters · Medium confidence larger
    we will see good gross additions and very healthy net additions of headcount as well, given some of the large deal discussion that we've been having throughout the call. So, the numbers should be larger only

    — Nitesh Bansal, Managing Director & CEO

Risks & concerns

  • Global uncertainties and tariff-induced challenges leading to delayed client decision-making and discretionary spend cancellation.

    high

    Management noted a 'bittersweet quarter' due to delays in decision-making and cancelled discretionary spend resulting from global uncertainties and tariff challenges.

    Management acknowledged

  • Uncertain macro-outlook, particularly in the US, impacting the conversion of deals into revenue.

    high

    Management believes that as uncertainties pan out, decisions will be made, and the robust pipeline will convert, but acknowledges that timing and luck are factors.

    Both acknowledged

  • High market volatility impacting business operations and client spending.

    high

    Management stated that 'the volatility has been crazy over the last 18 months to 24 months' and emphasized staying close to customers for foresight.

    Management acknowledged

Areas of evasion (2)

  • specific future growth rates beyond directional statements
  • exact timing of large deal conversions

Q&A highlights

2 direct
Discretionary spend in high-tech vertical and GCC strategy, deal size, and ramp-up timing. Direct
the discretionary spend in high-tech space continues to be, I would say, tepid for a simple reason that on one hand, there is a significant amount of spend happening in building the infrastructure and data pipelines, etc., for their AI-related initiatives. On the other hand, there is a continuous stream of tech layoffs that is taking place.

Provides insight into the current market conditions affecting client spending and R Systems' strategy to counter it by focusing on AI-related initiatives and mid-market GCCs.

Asked by Nikhil from Kizuna Wealth

Q1 ramp-downs, Q2 growth outlook, and deal conversion timing. Partial
a simple answer to that question is no, we're not worried about the impact, having a knock-on impact on Q2 kind of a thing. Because unfortunately for us some of this impact was beginning of the quarter. So, we have a full quarter impact kind of factored in... honestly too early to say, because like you only said in the last question. It all depends on if the decision-making is not delayed, and those wins happen on time.

Addresses concerns about the Q1 revenue dip potentially extending into Q2 and highlights the uncertainty around client decision-making and deal conversion timelines.

Asked by Sandip Shah from Equirus Securities

Annuity business percentage and stickiness of product engineering services. Direct
Most of the product engineering business is discretionary spent. It is a project based, project to project type of business. And hence, to say that there is a significant portion of annuity in there is not right. And, but the relationships are sticky.

Clarifies the nature of their revenue, indicating a project-based model rather than high annuity, but emphasizes client stickiness as a mitigating factor.

Asked by Mihir Manohar from Carnelian Assets Management

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Detailed narrative

Q1 FY25 Performance Overview

R Systems reported Q1 FY25 revenue of INR 442.5 crores ($51.1 million), reflecting a 1.5% sequential degrowth but a 6.2% YoY increase. Adjusted EBITDA grew 28.1% YoY to INR 76.8 crores, with the margin expanding by 296 basis points YoY to 17.4%. Adjusted PAT increased 36.2% YoY to INR 43.4 crores, translating to an adjusted EPS of INR 3.7 per share, up 36.1% YoY.

Market Dynamics and Discretionary Spend

The quarter was characterized as 'bittersweet' due to global uncertainties, tariff-induced challenges, and delays in client decision-making, which led to some discretionary spend cancellations. While the high-tech enterprise sector faces continuous tech layoffs, management noted significant spending on AI-related infrastructure and data pipelines, which R Systems is actively targeting to mitigate these headwinds.

Strategic Initiatives: GCC and Partnerships

R Systems is strengthening its go-to-market strategy with GCC (Global Capability Center) offerings tailored for mid-size enterprises, focusing on innovation, R&D, and product acceleration. A significant partnership with AWS for IoT connectors was announced during the Mobile World Congress, aiming to build a marketplace for telco operators to provide value-added services, with R Systems as a key strategic partner.

Deal Wins and Pipeline Health

Despite Q1 challenges, the company reported a robust pipeline of large deals, which contributed to a net headcount increase of 50 employees during the quarter. Management expects these multi-million dollar, multi-year commitments, once transitioned, to contribute significantly to revenue growth in Q2 and Q3, and they are actively working on converting these deals.

Margin Management and Operational Efficiency

Gross margin for Q1 FY25 stood at 36.7%, a decrease from 37.9% last quarter, primarily due to offshore increments and company-wide salary hikes. However, adjusted EBITDA margin remained stable at 17.4% through prudent cost management and operational efficiencies, with SG&A expenses decreasing by INR 4.7 crores sequentially to INR 85.6 crores.

Headcount and Utilization

The company achieved a net addition of 50 employees in Q1, with gross additions being among the highest in the past seven or eight quarters. Utilization rates were maintained at a high 83-84%, which management considers optimal for fueling growth and new project wins, indicating efficient resource deployment.

Outlook and Growth Drivers

Management remains optimistic for 2025, anticipating that as market uncertainties subside, delayed client decisions will convert into projects and revenue. They are confident in growing above the industry average of 4-5% and maintaining annual adjusted EBITDA margin levels around 16.7%, driven by GCC scale-ups, AI/data offerings, and strengthened partnerships.

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