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    Thermax Limited

    THERMAX
    Capital Goods·12 May 2025
    Management Summary

    Thermax reported a mixed Q4 FY25, achieving INR 3,000 crores in revenue and maintaining overall profitability despite a significant INR 85 crore hit from its bio-CNG business. While Industrial Products performed strongly with a 14.4% EBIT margin and a 20% higher backlog, the company missed its order inflow targets. Management is focused on learning from past project challenges, particularly in bio-CNG and FGD, and is cautiously pursuing new orders with revised guarantees.

    Highlights

    5
    • Thermax delivered INR 3,000 crores in revenue in Q4 FY25, demonstrating consistency in operations.

    • The company managed to deliver profitability across all businesses, even after absorbing a significant hit on the bio-CNG side.

    • Industrial Products had a 'fantastic quarter' with a strong 14.4% EBIT margin, exceeding internal estimates for double-digit profitability.

    • The backlog for Industrial Products is nearly 20% higher year-on-year, indicating robust demand.

    • Management showed discipline by walking away from a large FGD project in Q4 due to unfavorable cost estimates, prioritizing profitability.

    Concerns

    4
    • Thermax missed its Q4 FY25 order inflow commitment, falling short of the expected INR 3,000-3,300 crores.

    • The bio-CNG business incurred a significant hit of more than INR 85 crores in Q4 FY25, including a technology hit of INR 66 crores.

    • The bio-CNG industry's economics are described as 'still marginal at best' and require policy support, with plants being 'finicky' to operate.

    • The FEPL (Green Solutions) segment recorded a 'big loss' for the full year FY25.

    What Changed1

    vs Q1 FY26

    Risks discussed5 → 6 (+1)
    Key financials

    Metrics

    4

    Periods

    3

    Headline

    2
    • Revenue
      ₹3,000 Cr
    • Bio-CNG Hit
      ₹85 Cr

    Q4 FY25

    1
    • Industrial Products EBIT Margin
      14.4%

    FY25

    1
    • Chemicals EBIT Margin
      12%

    Order Book

    medium confidence

    Composition

    Mix2 products
    • Bio-CNG Backlog₹ 315 crores40.3%
    • FGD Backlog₹ 467 crores59.7%

    Share of order book by product (derived from disclosed amounts)

    Pipeline

    deal pipeline tcv

    Industrial Infra pipeline includes refining & petrochemical (H2), power, steel, international, waste-to-energy projects. Orders in range of INR 300 crores to INR 1,000 crores.

    Cancellations / Deferrals

    • deferred:One big loss and a few pushouts in Q4 orders, some of which moved to Q1 FY26.

    "Management is disappointed with Q4 order inflow but sees a decent pipeline for Industrial Infra and expects two new bio-CNG orders in Q1 FY26."

    Source:
    Prepared remarks

    Capital allocation

    1
    high confidence
    CategoryHeadline
    Capex

    Capex disclosed

    Guidance & targets

    6
    CategoryTargetPriority
    Profitability
    Chemicals EBIT Margin
    high teens
    Medium
    Profitability
    Bio-CNG Profitability
    breakeven to low single digits
    Medium
    Profitability
    FEPL Loss Reduction
    significantly better year
    Medium
    Order Execution
    FGD Project Liquidation
    INR 350 crores
    High
    Order Inflow
    Industrial Infra Order Inflow
    better than last year
    Medium
    Order Inflow
    Bio-CNG Orders
    two orders
    High

    Industrial Infra Margin Outlook

    next quarter
    CurrentUnder review, working on multiple scenarios
    TargetSpecific guidance or improved clarity on margin trajectory

    Why it matters

    Management deferred providing specific margin guidance for Industrial Infra, making it a key area to monitor for profitability trends.

    Sure. Give me this quarter to work through this and come back because we are working on multiple scenarios. There was a really bad case scenario, which I think will no longer be in play because we have had a good April and a good start and many projects and capabilities where we are in a handshake mode. But I would want to see this quarter come in before I answer that question.

    How to verify

    guidance_and_targets

    Risks & concerns

    6
    RiskSeverity

    Missed order inflow targets

    Q4 FY25 order inflow was below the expected INR 3,000-3,300 crores, with one big loss and a few pushouts.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Significant financial hit from bio-CNG projects

    Over INR 85 crores hit in Q4 FY25, including INR 66 crores for technology interventions, due to inability to meet guarantee numbers and project delays.Management acknowledged

    high

    Marginal economics and operational challenges in bio-CNG industry

    The industry is marginal, requires policy support, and plants are 'finicky' and difficult to operate, affecting production stability.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Monsoon impact on project execution

    Monsoons can affect project execution, especially for large teams in remote locations, potentially causing delays.Management acknowledged

    low

    Historical struggles with large project execution

    Thermax has historically faced challenges with project management in large orders, leading to losses in segments like FGD and bio-CNG.Analyst acknowledged

    medium

    Big loss in FEPL (Green Solutions) segment

    FEPL incurred a 'big loss' for FY25, though management expects significant reduction in FY26.Management acknowledged

    medium

    Q&A highlights

    8

    “So all of those technology interventions got done. We reached a particular point, which was of significant stability. But even with that stability, we were not able to meet some of our guarantee numbers, especially on the first set of projects that we had signed up for... In Q4, not only did we take INR 66 crores as a technology hit, overall, the hit on bio-CNG was more than INR 85 crores.”

    Analyst probed a key area of concern, and management provided specific financial impact and operational challenges.

    asked by Mohit Kumar

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Q4 FY25 Performance Overview

    Thermax delivered INR 3,000 crores in revenue for Q4 FY25, meeting management's consistency expectations. Despite this, the quarter was eventful with a miss on order inflows compared to the committed targets. The company absorbed a significant hit of over INR 85 crores from the bio-CNG business, including a INR 66 crore technology hit, yet managed to deliver overall profitability across its businesses.

    02

    Bio-CNG Business Challenges and Future Strategy

    The bio-CNG segment faced substantial challenges in Q4 FY25, resulting in a financial hit of over INR 85 crores due to technology interventions and inability to meet guarantee numbers. Management acknowledged the 'finicky' nature and marginal economics of the industry, emphasizing the need for policy support. After a year of no new orders, Thermax plans to selectively take two bio-CNG orders in Q1 FY26 with reduced yield guarantees, focusing on learnings and strategic partnerships.

    03

    Segmental Performance and Margin Trends

    Industrial Products had a 'fantastic quarter' with a strong 14.4% EBIT margin in Q4 FY25, exceeding internal estimates. Chemicals segment's full-year EBIT margin was around 12%, with management targeting 'high teens' in the future, despite initial lower margins from new acquisitions like Buildtech. The Green Solutions segment, particularly FEPL, incurred a 'big loss' for FY25, but management expects a 'significant reduction' in FY26.

    04

    Order Inflow and Pipeline Outlook

    Thermax missed its Q4 FY25 order inflow target of INR 3,000-3,300 crores, attributing it to a few losses and pushouts. However, the Industrial Products backlog is nearly 20% higher year-on-year. The Industrial Infra pipeline is described as 'decent,' with opportunities in refining, petrochemical, power, steel, and international projects, including orders ranging from INR 300 crores to INR 1,000 crores expected to be addressed in the next 1-3 months.

    05

    Learning from Project Execution and Strategic Focus

    Management addressed historical challenges with large project execution, citing examples like TBWES, which transformed from accumulating over INR 100 crores in losses to having over INR 1,000 crores in cash. They emphasized that learnings from past projects, including FGD and bio-CNG, are being imbibed to strengthen execution. The strategy involves focusing on repeatable projects, increasing services revenue, expanding internationally, and investing in new technologies like hydrogen and carbon capture.

    06

    Capex and Product Innovation

    Overall capex for FY26 is expected to be relatively lower, with investments primarily directed towards debottlenecking the heating plant, continued capex in the Chemicals segment, and ongoing investments in Green Solutions. Product innovation remains a key focus across Industrial Products, including heat pumps, zero liquid discharge solutions, ultrapure water capabilities (via TSA acquisition), and advanced air pollution control systems.

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