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    Earnings call· Jun 2025(Q2 FY25)

    Arthur J. Gallagher Q2 FY25 earnings call AJG

    Jul 31, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. Q2 FY25 — Strong Organic Growth and Margin Expansion

    Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. delivered a strong Q2 FY25, driven by robust organic growth across segments and significant adjusted EBITDAC margin expansion, despite headwinds from property renewal premium declines. The company is making progress on the Assured Partners acquisition and continues to execute on its M&A strategy, while leveraging technology and AI for future productivity gains. Management remains confident in its ability to navigate market complexities and sustain growth.

    Highlights

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    • Combined Brokerage and Risk Management segments posted 16% revenue growth and 5.4% organic growth.

    • Adjusted EBITDAC margin expanded 307 basis points year-over-year to 34.5%, marking the 21st consecutive quarter of double-digit growth.

    • Brokerage segment adjusted EBITDAC margin expanded 334 basis points to 36.4%, exceeding expectations.

    • Risk Management segment organic growth was 6.2%, with strong new business revenue.

    • Completed 9 new mergers representing around $290 million of estimated annualized revenue in Q2.

    Concerns

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    • Property renewal premiums were down 7% overall, with June seeing further decreases, impacting Brokerage organic growth.

    • Lower interest rates on fiduciary interest income used about 30 basis points of margin.

    • A larger noncash unrealized FX remeasurement loss caused the adjusted corporate line to be $0.04 below expectations.

    • Uncertainty in interest rate outlook may cause clients to delay policy purchases, impacting large and lumpy cases.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Brokerage segment organic growth
    6.5% to 7.5% range
    high materiality
    High
    Brokerage segment organic growth
    around 5% plus
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Brokerage segment organic growth
    around 5% plus
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Risk Management segment organic growth
    6% to 8% range
    high materiality
    High
    Risk Management segment adjusted EBITDAC margin
    around 20.5%
    medium materiality
    High
    M&A funding capacity
    another $2 billion
    high materiality
    High
    M&A funding capacity
    about $5 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Additional EBITDAC from M&A
    another $600 million to $700 million
    high materiality
    High
    Fed rate cuts
    two future 25 basis point rate cuts
    medium materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Combined Brokerage and Risk Management
    Achieved 21st consecutive quarter of double-digit adjusted EBITDAC growth.
    Organic growth: 5.4%Adjusted EBITDAC margin: 34.5%Adjusted EBITDAC growth: 26%
    16%17.3% (reported net earnings margin)
    Brokerage
    Organic growth was in line with expectations despite headwinds from CAT property renewal premium changes in June. Underlying margin expansion was driven by organic growth.
    Organic growth: 5.3%Underlying margin expansion: around 60 bpsAdjusted EBITDAC margin expansion: 334 bps YoY
    17%36.4% (Adjusted EBITDAC margin)
    Brokerage - Retail Operations
    Reflects heavier weighting to property business this quarter.
    Organic growth: 4%
    Brokerage - Retail Operations (U.S.)
    P/C organic growth was a bit below 5%, and Benefits organic growth was a bit above 5%.
    Organic growth: 5%
    Brokerage - Retail Operations (International)
    Primarily includes U.K. (a bit above 3%), Canada (a bit below 3%), Australia, and New Zealand.
    Organic growth: around 3%
    Brokerage - Reinsurance, Wholesale and Specialty
    Includes 5% organic from Gallagher Re and more than 7% organic from wholesale and specialty businesses.
    Organic growth: nearly 7%
    Risk Management (Gallagher Bassett)
    Solid new business revenue from contracts incepted in Q2, combined with fantastic client retention. Margin was better than June expectations.
    Organic growth: 6.2%
    9%21% (Adjusted EBITDAC margin)

    Operational metrics

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    GAAP earnings per share
    $2.11
    Q2 FY25
    Adjusted earnings per share
    $2.95
    Q2 FY25
    Brokerage segment adjusted EBITDAC margin (prior year)
    33.1%
    Q2 FY24

    Reported in Q2 FY24 earnings release, levelized for current FX rates.

    Brokerage segment margin expansion from organic growth
    60
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by 5.3% organic growth.

    Brokerage segment margin impact from M&A roll-in
    -40
    Q2 FY25

    Impact of roll-in acquisitions.

    Brokerage segment margin impact from lower fiduciary interest income
    -30
    Q2 FY25

    Impact of lower rates on fiduciary interest income.

    Brokerage segment margin impact from Assured Partners financing interest income
    340
    Q2 FY25

    Interest income on cash held for Assured Partners.

    Underlying margin expansion potential (organic growth > 4%)
    some underlying margin expansion
    ongoing

    Applies when organic growth is greater than 4%.

    Underlying margin expansion potential (6.5% organic growth)
    70
    ongoing

    Estimated margin expansion at 6.5% organic growth.

    Underlying margin expansion potential (7.5% organic growth)
    90
    ongoing

    Estimated margin expansion at 7.5% organic growth.

    Year-to-date organic growth
    7.6%
    YTD Q2 FY25

    Combined Brokerage and Risk Management segments.

    Q1 FY25 organic growth
    9.5%
    Q1 FY25

    Had some positive timing that is now flipping to a headwind in the second half.

    Corporate segment adjusted line impact from FX remeasurement
    -$0.04
    Q2 FY25

    Due to a larger noncash unrealized FX remeasurement loss as the dollar weakened in June, mostly reversed in July.

    Tax credit carryovers
    $685 million
    as of June 30

    Benefit flows through the cash flow statement, not P&L. Value unchanged by recent U.S. OB3 tax bill.

    Available cash on hand
    $14 billion
    as of June 30

    No outstanding borrowings on line of credit.

    Property business as % of total
    35%
    annual

    Property business might be 35% of their business in the course of a year.

    Organic growth sensitivity to property rates
    -40per 2% drop in rates
    ongoing

    Without changes, including increases in exposure. Net impact of 2% drop on net-net property.

    Assured Partners acquisitions not previously available to AJG
    94%
    historical

    Refers to the percentage of acquisitions done by Assured Partners that Gallagher did not have a chance at.

    Base organic growth
    4.7%
    Q2 FY25

    Mentioned by an analyst in Q&A.

    Base and supplemental organic growth combined
    around 5%
    Q2 FY25

    Douglas Howell stated "not pushing like 4.9% or 5%" for this combined figure.

    Number of associates in centers of excellence
    15,000
    current

    These associates provide value and are founders of standardization and centralization, enabling AI deployment.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Combined ratio
    Capital returns
    ROE operating ROE
    Catastrophe losses$80 billionUSD
    Book value per share
    Net investment income
    Retention persistency
    Life specific when present
    Net premiums written earned
    Renewal rate change pricingProperty down 7%; Casualty up 8%; General liability up 4%; Commercial auto up 7%; Umbrella up 11%; Package up 5%; D&O down 3%; Workers' comp up 1%; Personal lines up 7%%
    Broker specific when present5.4%%
    Statutory regulatory capital
    Prior year reserve development

    Deals & partnerships

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    Assured PartnersLarge acquisition to expand market presence and capabilities.

    Making terrific progress, expecting to complete the transaction in Q3. Integration planning has continued at senior levels despite some workstream suspensions.

    Multiple (9 new mergers)Tuck-in acquisitions to expand operations.

    Completed 9 new mergers during Q2 FY25.

    Multiple (40 term sheets)Prospective tuck-in acquisitions.

    Pipeline includes around 40 term sheets signed or being prepared.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Property renewal premium declinesQ2 FY25, ongoing

    down 7% overall in Q2, with June seeing further decreases

    Mitigation: Talented team, expertise, product knowledge, and data-driven capabilities to help clients navigate market complexities and find best coverage; increased limits being purchased somewhat offsetting rate decreases.

    Uncertainty in interest rate outlookH2 FY25

    clients may accelerate or even delay when to buy policies

    Mitigation: Not explicitly stated, but implies reliance on diverse business lines and market expertise to manage client behavior.

    Potential for large CAT eventsWind season (next 3 months)

    a large CAT here in wind season, causing a quick shift higher [in property rates]

    Mitigation: Not explicitly stated, but implies robust reinsurance and market adaptation.

    Prior year loss development and rising loss trends in casualtyongoing

    pricing was flat to modestly higher

    Mitigation: Carriers are cautious and re-underwriting/repricing to improve profitability; Gallagher Re's ability to differentiate clients' underwriting abilities and risk profiles.

    Noncash unrealized FX remeasurement lossQ2 FY25

    $0.04 below expectations for adjusted corporate line

    Mitigation: Mostly reversed in July, indicating short-term volatility rather than structural issue.

    Medical utilization and treatment costs increasesongoing

    ongoing increases

    Mitigation: Benefit professionals are well positioned to guide employers through these challenges.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

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    Assured Partners acquisition closure

    Q3 FY25
    CurrentPending regulatory approval
    TargetClosed

    Why it matters

    Successful closure of this large acquisition is critical for strategic expansion and realizing expected accretion and synergies.

    Since our early June IR day, we've had -- we've made terrific progress and now believe we will be in a position to complete this transaction here in the third quarter.

    Q&A highlights

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    Asked for specific dates regarding HSR submission to DOJ and whether a timing agreement was reached.

    Management declined to provide specific dates but confirmed completion of the second request response and ongoing engagement with DOJ. They reiterated confidence in closing the transaction in Q3 FY25.

    Well, Elyse, we aren't going to give out dates that we did this or did that. We are done responding to their second request, and we do continue to engage with them and respond to certain inquiries. And so the review is ongoing. So I'm not going to get into any more real details about timing. But our evaluation of where we stand, given the give and take back and forth and given the relationship is that we'll be in a position to close the transaction during the third quarter.

    asked by Elyse Greenspan · answered by J. Gallagher

    3 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Brokerage Segment Performance and Organic Growth Drivers

    The Brokerage segment reported 17% revenue growth and 5.3% organic growth in Q2 FY25, in line with expectations despite property renewal premium headwinds. Retail operations delivered 4% organic growth, with U.S. at 5% (P/C slightly below, Benefits slightly above). International operations (U.K., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) grew around 3%. Reinsurance, wholesale, and specialty businesses achieved nearly 7% organic growth, including 5% from Gallagher Re and over 7% from wholesale/specialty. The full-year Brokerage organic growth is projected to be 6.5% to 7.5%, with Q3 and Q4 expected around 5% plus, reflecting timing shifts and market dynamics.

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    P/C Insurance Market Dynamics and Pricing Trends

    The global P/C insurance market remains rational, with carriers focusing on profitable products and geographies. Property renewal premiums were down 7% overall in Q2, with June seeing further decreases. Casualty lines were up 8% (general liability +4%, commercial auto +7%, umbrella +11%). D&O was down 3%, workers' comp up 1%, and personal lines up 7%. For clients under $100,000 revenue, renewal premiums were up 3%, while for those over $100,000, they were down 2%. Excluding property, small to mid-sized and larger accounts saw global renewal premium increases in the 4% to 6% range.

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    Reinsurance Market Conditions

    June and July reinsurance renewals showed similar conditions to earlier in the year. Property covers continued to favor buyers, especially for CAT-exposed risks, with increased limits purchased partially offsetting rate decreases. Casualty reinsurance dynamics were influenced by concerns over prior-year loss development and rising loss trends from inflation and litigation, resulting in flat to modestly higher pricing. Gallagher Re is expected to perform well in this growing market.

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    Risk Management Segment (Gallagher Bassett) Performance

    The Risk Management segment reported 9% revenue growth and 6.2% organic growth in Q2 FY25, exceeding expectations due to strong new business revenue from recently incepted contracts. Client retention remains high. The full-year organic growth for this segment is anticipated to be in the 6% to 8% range, with adjusted EBITDAC margin expected around 20.5% for the full year.

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    M&A Strategy and Pipeline

    The company is making significant progress on the Assured Partners acquisition and expects to complete it in Q3 FY25. In Q2, 9 new tuck-in mergers were completed, adding approximately $290 million in estimated annualized revenue. The M&A pipeline is robust, with around 40 term sheets signed or being prepared, representing about $500 million of annualized revenue. Management highlighted the company's strong M&A funding capacity, with $2 billion available for FY25 and $5 billion for FY26 before using stock, aiming to add $600 million to $700 million of EBITDAC over the next 17 months.

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    Productivity, Technology, and AI Initiatives

    Management emphasized a culture of continuous improvement, focusing on productivity and quality. Initiatives include a more stable labor environment, increased returns from technology investments in client-facing tools, early successes with AI projects (e.g., claims summarization, policy review), and further centralization of back-office services. These efforts are expected to drive underlying margin expansion, even in varying organic growth environments, by leveraging an "industrial strength core operating system" capable of handling significantly more revenue with marginal costs.

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