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    Earnings call· Jun 2025(Q2 FY25)

    Apollo Global Management Q2 FY25 earnings call APO

    Aug 5, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Apollo Global Management Q2 FY25 — Record FRE, Strong Origination, and Strategic Expansion

    Apollo delivered a very strong quarter, marked by record fee-related earnings and significant asset growth, fueled by robust origination capabilities and diverse capital formation channels. The firm is strategically expanding its retirement services footprint in Europe and actively innovating to address evolving demand for private assets across new investor segments. Management remains focused on disciplined origination and product development to navigate dynamic market conditions and drive long-term growth.

    Highlights

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    • Record Fee-Related Earnings (FRE) of $627 million, up 22% year-over-year.

    • Record Asset Under Management (AUM) of $840 billion, driven by robust inflows of $61 billion.

    • Originated $81 billion of assets, representing nearly 50% year-over-year growth, with strong excess spreads.

    • Hybrid segment's flagship vehicle, AAA, achieved 11.1% return over the latest 12 months and is expected to surpass $25 billion AUM by year-end.

    • Athene delivered $21 billion of organic inflows, its second highest on record, with net invested assets growing 18% year-over-year to $275 billion.

    Concerns

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    • Credit spreads in some traditional areas like CLOs have tightened to unsustainable and uneconomic levels.

    • Realizations have remained muted and below historic levels, though the company is ahead of peers on DPI.

    • The Athora-PIC transaction is subject to regulatory approval and not expected to close until after year-end, delaying its financial impact.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Fee-Related Earnings (FRE) growth
    higher end of our 15% to 20%
    high materiality
    High
    Spread-Related Earnings (SRE) growth
    mid-single-digit growth
    high materiality
    High
    Bridge Investment Group FRE contribution
    approximately $100 million
    medium materiality
    High
    Bridge Investment Group FRE contribution
    meaningful scaling and total financial accretion
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Athene new inflows
    $70-plus billion
    high materiality
    Medium
    Germany capital deployment
    over $100 billion
    high materiality
    High
    New bank partnerships
    a handful
    low materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Asset Management
    Asset Management saw record AUM and strong inflows, driven by both institutional and global wealth channels. Perpetual capital forms a significant portion of AUM, providing stability.
    AUM: $840 billionAUM growth YoY: 22%Fee-generating AUM: $638 billionFee-generating AUM growth YoY: 22%Perpetual capital as % of total AUM: Nearly 60%Perpetual capital as % of fee-generating AUM: 75%Inflows: $40 billionCredit-oriented strategies inflows: 80% of $40 billionEquity-oriented strategies inflows: 20% of $40 billionThird-party insurance inflows: $7 billionGlobal Wealth inflows: Over $4 billionDry powder: $72 billion
    Retirement Services (Athene)
    Athene delivered strong organic inflows and significant growth in net invested assets, maintaining healthy new business spreads despite market dynamics. Its low cost structure is a key competitive advantage.
    Net Invested Assets: $275 billionNet Invested Assets growth YoY: 18%Organic Inflows: $21 billionBlended net spread: 122 bpsNew business spreads (H1): Approximately 130 bpsCost of doing business: 16 bpsRetail inflows: $7 billionFunding agreements inflows: $12 billionFlow insurance inflows: $2 billion

    Operational metrics

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    Fee-Related Earnings (FRE)
    $627 million22% year-over-year
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by management fee growth, capital solutions fees, and fee-related performance fees.

    Management fee growth
    22%year-over-year
    Q2 FY25

    Credit growth reflects strong origination volumes and spreads. S3 contributed catch-up fees as fundraise closed.

    Capital Solutions Fees
    $216 million
    Q2 FY25

    Exceeded prior peak in Q2 FY24.

    Fee-related performance fees growth
    21%year-over-year
    Q2 FY25

    Reflects scaling of semiliquid products.

    Fee-related expenses growth
    13%year-over-year
    Q2 FY25

    Pace of hiring expected to moderate in H2.

    FRE margin expansion
    approximately 200 bpsyear-over-year
    Q2 FY25 and H1 FY25

    Management confident in driving higher margins over time.

    Spread-Related Earnings (SRE)
    $821 million
    Q2 FY25

    Alternatives return slightly higher than pre-release estimate.

    Origination volume
    $81 billionnearly 50% year-over-year growth
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by activity across diversified origination channels.

    Investment-grade credit origination
    $60 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Part of total $75 billion debt origination.

    Sub-investment-grade credit origination
    $15 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Part of total $75 billion debt origination.

    Sustainability and infrastructure deployment
    nearly $60 billion
    since 2022

    Deployed into energy transition and decarbonization opportunities.

    AI infrastructure investment need
    nearly $3 trillion
    by end of decade

    Research estimates for external funding and private credit opportunity within the financing gap.

    Bank partnerships
    12
    current

    Enhances strategic alignment and trust.

    Direct lending volume in sponsor marketplace
    $25 billionup dramatically year-over-year
    H1 FY25

    Combined volumes.

    Investment-grade solutions financings
    29 financings totaling $44 billion
    since 2020

    Reflects market presence in investment-grade solutions.

    Total inflows
    $61 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Record organic inflows.

    Third-party insurance inflows
    $7 billion
    Q2 FY25

    On track for a record year.

    Global Wealth inflows
    $9 billionup 40% versus year-ago period
    YTD FY25

    Second best quarter on record despite turbulent backdrop.

    ADS AUM
    $20 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Shows ability to grow and scale while adhering to investment principles.

    AAA AUM
    $23 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Flagship vehicle in Hybrid segment, strong fundraising particularly in institutional channel.

    Dry powder
    $72 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Firm remains well positioned.

    In-office headcount (daily average)
    1,200 peopleup from 1,000 on average week
    July and early August

    Indicates a busy period and building momentum.

    Private Equity Fund X Net IRR
    23%
    Q2 FY25

    Fund X continues to perform well.

    Private Equity Fund IX Net IRR
    16%
    Q2 FY25

    Fund IX continues to perform well.

    Hybrid AUM
    $75 billion
    Q2 FY25

    Expected to be the fastest-growing business segment.

    Athene cost of doing business
    16 basis pointshalf of some larger publicly traded competitors, 1/3 of new entrants
    Q2 FY25

    Extraordinary numbers, direct subtraction from profitability in a spread-based business.

    Europe securitization market size
    $500 billion
    current

    Compared to US market size.

    US securitization market size
    $15 trillion
    current

    Compared to Europe market size.

    401(k) channel origination
    a few billion dollars
    this year

    Significant experimentation in the absence of regulatory clarity.

    401(k) market size
    $12 trillion to $13 trillion
    current

    Among the largest pools of savings in the world.

    Product announcements

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    ProductTypeDetails
    AAA (Apollo Aligned Alternatives) Levered Share Classlaunch

    Deals & partnerships

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    Athora / PICAthora, a strategic investor and capital partner to Apollo, agreed to buy PIC in the U.K.

    PIC is viewed as an attractive way to enter the U.K. marketplace, which has similar demographic and pension trends to the U.S.

    12 global banksCollaborative partnerships to drive capital formation and unlock differentiated sourcing.

    Global network of 12 bank partnerships, with a handful more anticipated by year-end 2025.

    State StreetInnovation can be a partnering with State Street on their ETF.

    Example of innovation and partnering.

    Lord AbbettInnovation can be a partnering with Lord Abbett.

    Example of innovation and partnering.

    EmpowerInnovation can take place with Empower.

    Example of innovation and partnering.

    GeoWealthPartnership to leverage technology for delivering product sets with transparency and information.

    Part of a journey to innovate and arm Apollo with tools for client engagement.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Credit spreads in traditional products like CLOs have tightened to unsustainable and uneconomic levels.Q2 FY25

    tightened to decade-plus or even generational type spreads

    Mitigation: Pivoting origination to maintain spread (e.g., 130 bps on new business), focusing on products not easily accessible to others, and innovating in new markets for liability origination.

    Realizations have remained muted and below historic levels across the industry.current

    Fund IX has 0.7 DPI versus the industry of 0.2, and Fund X 0.2 versus 0

    Mitigation: Differentiated strategy focused on purchase price discipline, allowing more options on exit; successful cash flowing of investments; expectation of broader market solutions beyond IPOs for PE overhang.

    Athora's acquisition of PIC is subject to regulatory approval.after CY25

    not expected to close until after the turn of the year

    Mitigation: Working through regulatory hurdles; confidence in the strategic fit and U.K. regulatory mood encouraging private capital.

    Rising competition in some traditional channels like retail annuities, leading to commoditization.ongoing

    things people can do just by showing up, moving annuities or other sorts of MYGAs through the broker channel... are going to become commoditized.

    Mitigation: Taking a significant portion of origination into new markets, creating new products and ways of delivering the business, focusing on simplicity and accessibility for consumers.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

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    SRE net spread stabilization

    through next year (FY26)
    Current122 bps (Q2 blended net spread), 130 bps (H1 new business spreads)
    TargetStabilization of reported net spreads after runoff of COVID-era business

    Why it matters

    Indicates the underlying profitability trend of the retirement services business as the impact of prior high-spread business diminishes.

    Yes. I think the best evidence of that is part of the question you asked, which is when do the net spreads stabilize. And so we will expect to see that business continue to run off through next year. And so you should expect to see the reported net spreads decline slightly through that period of time. It will decline for the balance of the year and then stabilize.

    Q&A highlights

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    How will tightening credit spreads, rising competition, and traditional channel dynamics impact the insurance business beyond 2025, especially given the ability to pivot between products?

    Marc Rowan explained that while traditional products like CLOs have tightened to unsustainable levels, Apollo pivots origination to maintain spread, achieving 130 bps on new business. The current lower reported spreads are due to the runoff of highly profitable COVID-era business, with SRE expected to tick up once that amortizes. Martin Kelly added that spreads are dynamic, with Q1 being tight, Q2 wider, and July showing modest widening, setting up promisingly.

    We have been able to pivot the origination to maintain spread. Coming back to what Martin said, we are originating new business in the context of this tight spread environment at 130 basis points at numbers consistent with historical rates of return in amounts that we have never done before that we feel very comfortable doing.

    asked by Alex Blostein · answered by Marc Rowan

    2 min read7 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Strong Origination and Asset Management Performance

    Apollo showcased its origination capabilities, generating $81 billion in assets (excluding inorganic, which would push it into the $90s billion) at attractive spreads. This included $75 billion in debt, with $60 billion in investment-grade credit (average A- rating) yielding ~290 bps over treasuries, and $15 billion in sub-investment-grade credit (average B rating) yielding ~470 bps over treasuries. The firm's credit business performed well, with core and opportunistic credit delivering 9-12% over the last 12 months.

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    Retirement Services and Athene Growth

    Athene recorded $21 billion in organic inflows, its second-highest on record, contributing to an 18% year-over-year growth in net invested assets to $275 billion. The blended net spread for Q2 was 122 bps, with new business spreads at approximately 130 bps in H1, consistent with historical long-term averages. Management highlighted Athene's low cost of doing business at 16 bps, significantly lower than competitors, enabling sustained profitability.

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    Strategic Expansion in Europe

    Apollo is expanding its European footprint, particularly through Athora's agreed acquisition of PIC in the U.K. This transaction, pending regulatory approval, is seen as a significant entry into the U.K. retirement market, mirroring Athene's role in the U.S. The U.K. regulatory environment is encouraging private capital for long-term projects, creating a substantial opportunity for pound-denominated asset origination.

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    Evolving Demand for Private Assets

    The firm identifies five new sources of demand beyond traditional institutional alternatives: individuals (wealth), insurance, institutional fixed income replacement, institutional equity replacement, and the 401(k)/defined contribution marketplace. These new channels are expected to drive long-term growth, with the 401(k) market alone representing $12-13 trillion in savings, offering potential for significantly better outcomes through private asset inclusion.

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    Innovation in Product and Technology

    Apollo emphasizes innovation in product delivery, aiming for simpler, more accessible retirement products and exploring new uses for spread-based products. The firm is also focused on technology applications, such as TAMP managers and tokenization, to enhance client transparency, education, and confidence, believing these will expand the private credit ecosystem and facilitate liquidity.

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    High-Grade Capital Solutions and Infrastructure

    The High-Grade Capital Solutions (HGCS) business originated over $8 billion across four transactions, including a GBP 4.5 billion financing for EDF, the largest sterling-denominated private credit transaction to date. This reinforces Apollo's role in financing large-scale infrastructure and energy transition projects, with over $60 billion deployed into energy transition since 2022, surpassing its 5-year goal two years early.

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    Capital Formation and Global Wealth

    Apollo's capital formation engine generated $61 billion in total inflows ($49 billion organic), with $40 billion from asset management and $21 billion from Athene. Global Wealth inflows reached over $4 billion, the second-best on record, with year-to-date inflows up 40% year-over-year. Flagship products like AAA and ADS are scaling rapidly, with AAA expected to exceed $25 billion AUM by year-end.

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