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    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    BOEING Q1 FY25 earnings call BA

    Apr 23, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Boeing Q1 FY25 — Strong Deliveries and Recovery Plan Progress Amid Tariff Headwinds

    Boeing reported a solid Q1 FY25, with better-than-expected commercial deliveries and progress on its four-point recovery plan, including stabilizing the business and improving defense program execution. The company is actively managing the impact of tariffs, particularly on China deliveries, by assessing remarketing options and leveraging strong demand from other customers. Production rate increases for the 737 and 787 are on track, supported by improving operational KPIs and supply chain stability, while portfolio streamlining continues with the divestiture of Digital Aviation Solutions.

    Highlights

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    • Delivered 130 airplanes in Q1 FY25, exceeding internal plans.

    • Achieved EAC stability on defense fixed-price development programs for the quarter.

    • Secured the F-47 program win, cementing its fighter franchise for decades.

    • BGS business delivered strong results with an 18.6% operating margin, up 40 bps YoY.

    • Reduced 737 MAX traveled work by 50% and rework hours by 25% since last fall.

    Concerns

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    • Potential impact of retaliatory tariffs from China affecting approximately 50 planned deliveries for the balance of the year, with 41 airplanes already built or in production.

    • Annual input tariffs expected to be less than $500 million, creating a cash flow timing issue.

    • Seat certification issues affecting some deliveries are expected to be a challenge for the balance of the year.

    • 777X inventory was up approximately $800 million in the quarter and will continue to grow towards entry into service.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    737 MAX Production Rate
    38 per month
    high materiality
    High
    737 MAX Production Rate Increase Request
    42 per month
    high materiality
    Medium
    787 Production Rate
    7 per month
    high materiality
    High
    777X First Delivery
    2026
    medium materiality
    High
    BDS Operating Margin
    high single-digit margins
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Free Cash Flow (Full Year)
    not adjusted
    high materiality
    Medium
    Free Cash Flow (Q2)
    roughly in line with Q1 usage
    medium materiality
    High
    Free Cash Flow (H2)
    turn positive and then accelerate
    high materiality
    High
    737 Deliveries (Full Year)
    low 400s
    high materiality
    High
    787 Deliveries (Full Year)
    around 80
    high materiality
    High
    737 Deliveries (Q2)
    low to mid-90s
    medium materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Boeing Commercial Airplanes (BCA)
    Revenue primarily reflected higher 737 and 777 deliveries and lower period costs. Backlog increased by over $25 billion sequentially, representing over 7 years of production.
    Airplanes delivered: 130Net orders: 221Backlog: $460B
    $8.1B-6.6%
    Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS)
    Revenue was down due to planned lower volume, including impacts from commercial derivatives. Operating margin improved by 30 bps YoY, reflecting stabilizing operational performance. Core business (60% of revenue) performs in mid- to high single-digit margins. Fixed-price development programs (15% of revenue) are stabilizing.
    Orders: $4BBacklog: $62BAircraft delivered: 26
    $6.3B-9%2.5%
    Boeing Global Services (BGS)
    Revenue was stable year-over-year. Operating margin increased by 40 bps YoY due to favorable performance and mix, with both commercial and government businesses delivering double-digit margins.
    Orders: $5BBacklog: $22B
    $5.1Bstable18.6%

    Operational metrics

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    Core Loss Per Share
    $0.49significant improvement compared to last year
    Q1 FY25

    Driven by higher commercial deliveries and improved operational performance.

    Cash and Marketable Securities
    $23.7B
    Q1 FY25

    Primarily reflecting free cash flow usage in the quarter.

    Debt Balance
    $53.6Bdown $300M
    Q1 FY25

    Due to paydown of maturing debt.

    Revolving Credit Facilities
    $10B
    Q1 FY25

    Company maintains access to these facilities.

    Net Proceeds from Digital Aviation Solutions Divestiture
    $10B
    Q1 FY25

    The deal is all cash, with minimal leakage from the $10.55 billion purchase price.

    737 MAX Traveled Work Reduction
    50%
    since last fall

    Reduction in work not done on station before moving the aircraft, due to a new 'travel-ready' process.

    737 MAX Rework Hours Reduction
    25%
    since last fall

    Reduction in rework hours on the 737 line, indicating improved quality.

    737 MAX Buffer Inventory (China-bound)
    25
    Q1 FY25

    Part of the 30 total 737-8s built prior to 2023, which is down 25 from year-end.

    787 Inventory (China-bound)
    4
    Q1 FY25

    Part of the 20 total 787s built prior to 2023 that required rework, down 5 from year-end.

    737 MAX Inventory (7 & 10 variants)
    approximately 35stable
    Q1 FY25

    Inventory levels stable, certification timelines unchanged.

    Input Tariffs Annual Impact
    less than $500M
    annually

    Net annual impact of higher tariffs on input costs, considered manageable and within plan.

    Commercial Supply Chain Spend (US-based)
    80%
    annual

    Roughly 80% of annual commercial supply chain spend goes directly to U.S.-based suppliers.

    Commercial Deliveries (Non-US Customers)
    70%
    FY25

    About 70% of commercial deliveries this year are planned for customers outside the U.S.

    China Commercial Backlog Share
    10%
    Q1 FY25

    China represents approximately 10% of the commercial backlog.

    China Deliveries at Risk
    50
    balance of FY25

    These deliveries are for customers in China and are subject to tariff-related issues.

    China Deliveries (Built/In-Production)
    41
    Q1 FY25

    These are the China-bound airplanes that Boeing is actively assessing options for remarketing.

    China Deliveries (Not yet in production)
    9
    Q1 FY25

    Boeing has the ability to assign these positions to other customers if needed.

    737 MAX Deliveries
    105
    Q1 FY25

    Program delivered 105 airplanes in the quarter, including 33 in March.

    787 Deliveries
    13
    Q1 FY25

    Generally in line with expectations outlined on the last earnings call.

    BDS Aircraft Deliveries
    26
    Q1 FY25

    Total aircraft delivered by the Defense, Space & Security segment.

    737 MAX Production Rate
    low 30s
    March 2025

    Monthly production rate in March, gradually increased during the quarter.

    787 Production Rate
    5
    Q1 FY25

    Program continued to stabilize production at this rate in the quarter.

    737 MAX Inventory (Pre-2023 built)
    30down 25 from year-end
    Q1 FY25

    Includes 25 airplanes for customers in China. Expect to complete rework and shut down shadow factory by midyear.

    787 Inventory (Pre-2023 built)
    20down 5 from year-end
    Q1 FY25

    Includes 4 airplanes for customers in China. Rework finished and shadow factory shut down in the quarter. Expect to deliver about half of remaining this year.

    777X Inventory Growth
    $800Mup
    Q1 FY25

    Inventory will continue to grow as the program moves towards entering service.

    737 Deliveries (April)
    high 20s
    April 2025

    Expected deliveries for April.

    787 Deliveries (April)
    5
    April 2025

    Already delivered so far in April.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Total company backlogover $0.5 trillionUSD
    Defense program awardsF-47 program
    Unit deliveries by program105 (737), 13 (787), 26 (BDS aircraft)airplanes
    Production rates by programlow 30s (737), 5 (787)per month
    Program margins eac chargesheld EACs
    Production capacity expansion$1BUSD

    Orderbook & backlog

    4
    BCA Backlog$460BQ1 FY25

    up more than $25B sequentially

    Includes more than 5,600 airplanes that translate to over 7 years of production. 737 and 787 are sold firm into the next decade.

    BDS Backlog$62BQ1 FY25

    Does not include the F-47 order, pending completion of source selection and evaluation review process.

    BGS Backlog$22BQ1 FY25
    Total Company Backlogover $0.5 trillionQ1 FY25

    Demonstrates the strength of the core product portfolio, with key commercial programs sold out into the next decade.

    Product announcements

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    ProductTypeDetails
    F-47 Programlaunch
    767-300 Boeing Converted Freightermilestone
    MQ-25 Aircraftmilestone
    777X Flight Test Activitiesexpansion

    Deals & partnerships

    3
    U.S. Air ForceDesign, build, and deliver the next-generation fighter aircraft (F-47).decades

    Boeing was selected for the F-47 program, the world's first sixth-generation fighter. This order was not included in Q1 backlog pending review.

    UndisclosedSale of portions of the Digital Aviation Solutions business.$10.55B

    Agreement to sell portions of the Digital Aviation Solutions business for $10.55 billion. The deal is all cash, with net proceeds expected to be close to $10 billion. Expected to close around midyear.

    SpiritReintegration of Spirit AeroSystems.

    Spirit continues to improve quality and flow of fuselages, setting up well for the reintegration, which is expected to close around midyear.

    Capital programs

    1
    Charleston Facility Expansionunderway$1B

    Benefit: expand production capacity

    Investment made to expand 787 production capacity at the Charleston facility, aiming for double-digit production rates.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Retaliatory Tariffs from ChinaBalance of FY25

    Approximately 50 planned deliveries for the balance of the year, with 41 airplanes already built or in production, and 9 not yet in production.

    Mitigation: Actively assessing options for remarketing already built/in-process airplanes; ability to assign production positions for unbuilt aircraft to other customers; close communication with China customers and administration.

    Input TariffsAnnually

    Net annual impact of less than $500 million.

    Mitigation: Utilizing duty drawback opportunities for exported aircraft; working with supply chain partners to extend duty drawback; elevated pre-tariff inventory levels; long-term neutralization through price escalators.

    Seat Certification IssuesBalance of the year

    Affecting some deliveries.

    Mitigation: Actively working through the issues, but expected to remain a challenge.

    777X Inventory GrowthOngoing until entry into service

    Up approximately $800 million in Q1 FY25.

    Mitigation: Expected as the program moves towards entering service in 2026.

    SPS Fastener Supply DisruptionOngoing, particularly as rates ramp up

    Impact from a fire at a supplier (Jenkintown).

    Mitigation: Finding alternate sources, requalifying, finding inventory; team is managing to avoid holding up aircraft programs, but inventory levels may not be optimal.

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    737 MAX Production Rate

    next few months
    Currentlow 30s per month
    Target38 per month

    Why it matters

    Achieving the 38 per month rate is crucial for stabilizing commercial production and improving cash flow, as it's a key milestone in the recovery plan.

    We are currently producing in the low 30s per month and expect that we'll get to the 38 per month cap over the next few months.

    Q&A highlights

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    How is Boeing engaging with the U.S. administration to address the tariff environment, and what is the outlook for resolution, especially concerning China and potential EU tariffs?

    Boeing is in constant engagement with the administration, emphasizing the importance of the aerospace industry and trade balance. Management is hopeful for negotiated agreements but cannot predict timing. The focus is on proactively managing the China situation to avoid impacting recovery, including remarketing aircraft. Both Boeing and its European competitor would prefer a tariff-free environment.

    I don't think a day goes by where we aren't engaged with someone in the administration, including cabinet secretaries and up to POTUS himself.

    asked by Douglas Harned · answered by Robert Ortberg

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Recovery Plan Progress and Operational Stability

    Boeing's four-point recovery plan is in full swing, showing early signs of effectiveness. Key performance indicators for production stability are progressing, with 737 MAX production in the low 30s per month and 787 production at 5 per month. The company plans to increase 737 MAX rates to 38 per month and then request 42 per month from the FAA later this year, while 787 rates are poised to move to 7 per month. Significant reductions in traveled work (50%) and rework hours (25%) on the 737 line demonstrate improved quality.

    02

    Defense Program Execution and F-47 Win

    The defense segment (BDS) showed improved performance, holding EACs for the quarter and making progress on active management of development programs. The win of the F-47 program, the world's first sixth-generation fighter, is a transformational accomplishment that secures Boeing's fighter franchise for decades. Progress continues on T-7 (achieved first two EMD milestones) and VC-25B (revising plan for earlier delivery), with MQ-25 moving to final assembly. Commercial development programs like 777X, 737-7, and 737-10 are progressing with certification timelines unchanged.

    03

    Digital Aviation Solutions Divestiture and Portfolio Shaping

    Boeing announced the planned divestiture of portions of its Digital Aviation Solutions business for $10.55 billion, a key step in its portfolio streamlining strategy. This move aims to focus on core businesses and strengthen the balance sheet. Management indicated that a couple more smaller portfolio actions are being considered, but the review is complete. The company ensured retention of necessary digital capabilities for future aircraft support.

    04

    Tariff Environment and Mitigation Strategies

    The company is navigating a dynamic tariff environment, distinguishing between input tariffs affecting manufacturing costs and potential retaliatory tariffs impacting deliveries. Input tariffs incurred in Q1 were immaterial, with an estimated net annual impact of less than $500 million, manageable within the plan. For China, approximately 50 planned deliveries for the balance of the year are at risk due to tariffs. Boeing is actively assessing remarketing options for 41 already-built or in-process aircraft and can reassign production slots for the 9 not yet in production, aiming to prevent disruption to its production flow.

    05

    Culture Change Initiatives

    Boeing is actively working on culture change, having conducted employee meetings, formed an enterprise working group to refresh values, and completed an all-employee survey. New values and behaviors are being incorporated into performance management, leadership training, and selection criteria. Management emphasized the passion of employees for this change and the commitment to making necessary improvements.

    06

    Strong BGS Performance and Cash/Debt Position

    Boeing Global Services (BGS) continued its strong financial performance, delivering 18.6% operating margin in Q1, up 40 basis points year-over-year, driven by favorable performance and mix in both commercial and government businesses. The company ended the quarter with $23.7 billion in cash and marketable securities and $53.6 billion in debt, down $300 million. It maintains access to $10 billion in undrawn revolving credit facilities, prioritizing an investment-grade rating and factory stabilization.

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