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    Earnings call· Dec 2024(Q4 FY24)

    CARRIER GLOBAL Corp CARR

    Feb 11, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Carrier Global Q4 FY24 — Strong Organic Growth and Portfolio Transformation Completion

    Carrier Global delivered strong Q4 FY24 results, marked by robust organic growth, significant margin expansion, and the successful completion of its portfolio transformation. The company is now focused on accelerating growth in 2025, driven by strategic investments in integrated systems, particularly in data centers and home energy management, while navigating market uncertainties in Europe and preparing for potential tariff impacts.

    Highlights

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    • Achieved 3% organic growth for FY24, driven by double-digit growth in global commercial HVAC and aftermarket.

    • Total company orders were up low teens in Q4 FY24, with HVAC Americas Applied up about 40%.

    • Delivered 180 basis points of margin expansion and 16% adjusted EPS growth for FY24.

    • Successfully completed portfolio transformation, yielding over $10 billion in gross proceeds.

    • Returned over $2.6 billion to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases, achieving approximately 2x net leverage.

    Concerns

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    • Experienced unexpected weakness in residential light commercial HVAC in Europe and China during 2024.

    • Viessmann Climate Solutions (VCS) market volume is expected to be flat to down mid-single digits in 2025 due to political and economic uncertainty in Europe.

    • VCS faces a 5-point full-year revenue headwind in 2025 associated with Q1 2024 backlog reduction.

    • Potential tariffs on Mexican imports pose an unknown risk, though management is preparing mitigation strategies.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Organic Growth
    mid-single digits
    high materiality
    High
    Aftermarket Growth
    double-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Global Commercial HVAC Growth
    double-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    100 basis points
    high materiality
    High
    Adjusted EPS Growth
    17% at the midpoint
    high materiality
    High
    Adjusted EPS
    $2.95 and $3.05
    high materiality
    High
    Free Cash Flow Conversion
    about 100%
    high materiality
    High
    Free Cash Flow
    $2.4 billion and $2.6 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Share Repurchases
    about $3 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Average Diluted Share Count
    down about 5%
    medium materiality
    High
    Organic Sales Growth (HVAC)
    mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Organic Sales Growth (Refrigeration)
    mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Americas Sales Growth
    high single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Americas Commercial Sales Growth
    double-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Americas Residential Sales Growth
    high single-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Americas Light Commercial Sales Growth
    low to mid-single-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Europe Sales Growth
    low single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Europe Commercial Sales Growth
    double digits
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Europe Residential and Light Commercial Sales Growth
    flat sales growth
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Asia Sales Growth
    low single-digit sales growth
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Asia China Sales Growth
    flat
    medium materiality
    High
    HVAC Asia Sales Growth (outside China)
    mid-single-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Refrigeration Global Truck and Trailer Sales Growth
    mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Refrigeration North America Truck and Trailer Sales Growth
    returning to growth
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Refrigeration Container Sales Growth
    mid- to high-single-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Refrigeration Sensitech Sales Growth
    double-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Adjusted Operating Margin
    up about 100 basis points
    high materiality
    High
    Core Earnings Conversion
    about 30%
    medium materiality
    High
    Net Interest Expense
    $0.05 to $0.10 tailwind
    low materiality
    High
    Effective Tax Rate
    22%
    low materiality
    High
    Q1 Revenue
    about flat sequentially, a little more than $5 billion
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 Organic Revenue Growth
    flat to up low single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 Organic Growth (Refrigeration)
    about flat
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 Margin Expansion
    about 100 basis points
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 Adjusted EPS
    $0.55 and $0.60
    high materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Market Volume
    flat to down mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Revenue Headwind
    5-point full year revenue headwind
    medium materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Mix
    continued positive mix with double-digit growth in heat pumps offsetting a modest decline in boilers
    medium materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Price
    point or so
    low materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Revenue Synergies
    about $100 million
    medium materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions EBITDA ROS
    mid-teens
    medium materiality
    High
    Viessmann Climate Solutions Cost Synergies
    $150 million run rate
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 FY25 Viessmann Climate Solutions Sales Growth
    between 10% and 15% down
    medium materiality
    High
    Q2 FY25 Viessmann Climate Solutions Sales Growth
    mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Q2 FY25 Overall Company Sales Growth
    high single-digit range
    medium materiality
    High
    Q3 FY25 Overall Company Sales Growth
    high single-digit range
    medium materiality
    High
    Q4 FY25 Overall Company Sales Growth
    mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Residential HVAC Volume
    flat to down low single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Residential HVAC Base Price
    up low single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Residential HVAC Mix-up (454B)
    high single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Light Commercial HVAC Sales Growth
    low to mid-single digits
    medium materiality
    High
    Q1 FY25 Light Commercial HVAC Sales Growth
    down 5% to 10%
    medium materiality
    High
    Data Center Sales
    $1 billion
    high materiality
    High
    HVAC Americas Commercial Capacity
    more than double
    medium materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    HVAC
    Q4 organic sales growth was strong, driven by Americas. Americas Residential saw significant growth against a very weak prior year. EMEA was flat due to commercial strength offsetting residential/light commercial weakness. Asia was slightly positive. Adjusted operating margins expanded due to organic growth and strong productivity.
    Organic Sales Growth: 11% YoYAmericas Organic Sales Growth: high teens YoYAmericas Commercial Sales Growth: mid-teens YoYAmericas Light Commercial Sales Growth: down ~10% YoYAmericas Residential Sales Growth: 35% YoYEMEA Organic Sales Growth: flat YoYEMEA Commercial Sales Growth: double-digit YoYEMEA Residential and Light Commercial Sales Growth: decline YoYAsia Organic Sales Growth: slightly positive YoYAsia Japan and South Asia Sales Growth: strengthAsia China Residential and Light Commercial Sales Growth: declines
    11%up 250 bps
    Refrigeration
    Q4 was the first quarter without commercial refrigeration. Global truck and trailer was down, with North America seeing a significant decline. Container sales were also down. Aftermarket and Sensitech businesses showed mid-single-digit growth. Operating margin expanded year-over-year.
    Global Truck and Trailer Sales Growth: down ~10% YoYNorth America Truck and Trailer Sales Growth: down ~25% YoYEurope Truck and Trailer Sales Growth: down low single digits YoYAsia Truck and Trailer Sales Growth: high single-digit YoYContainer Sales Growth: down low single digits YoYAftermarket Sales Growth: mid-single digits YoYSensitech Sales Growth: mid-single digits YoY
    expanded 160 bps

    Operational metrics

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    Organic Growth
    3%
    FY24

    Company-wide organic growth.

    Core Earnings Conversion
    close to 100%
    FY24

    Company-wide core earnings conversion.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    180 bpsYoY
    FY24

    Company-wide adjusted operating margin expansion.

    Adjusted EPS Growth
    16%YoY
    FY24

    Company-wide adjusted EPS growth.

    Gross Proceeds from Divestitures
    over $10 billion
    FY24

    Total gross proceeds from portfolio transformation.

    Net Leverage
    roughly 2x
    FY24

    Achieved after debt paydown.

    Capital Returned to Shareholders
    over $2.6 billion
    FY24

    Through dividends and share repurchases.

    Share Repurchases
    $1.9 billionabout $1 billion more than October guide
    FY24

    Total share repurchases in 2024.

    Organic Sales Growth
    6%
    Q4 FY24

    Company-wide organic sales growth.

    Adjusted Operating Profit Growth
    65%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Company-wide adjusted operating profit growth.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    370 bpsYoY
    Q4 FY24

    Company-wide adjusted operating margin expansion.

    Adjusted EPS Growth
    50%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Company-wide adjusted EPS growth.

    Total Company Organic Orders Growth
    low teens
    Q4 FY24

    Company-wide organic orders growth.

    Overall HVAC Orders Growth
    about 5%
    Q4 FY24

    Segment-level orders growth.

    HVAC Americas Orders Growth
    about 10%
    Q4 FY24

    Regional orders growth within HVAC.

    HVAC EMEA and Asia Organic Orders Growth
    down mid-single digits
    Q4 FY24

    Regional orders growth within HVAC.

    Global Commercial HVAC Orders Growth
    about 10%
    Q4 FY24

    Sub-segment orders growth.

    Refrigeration Orders Growth
    about 55%
    Q4 FY24

    Segment-level orders growth, mostly driven by North America truck and trailer.

    Reported Sales
    $22.5 billion and $23 billion
    FY25

    Full-year reported sales guidance, including headwind from commercial refrigeration exit.

    Price Contribution to Organic Growth
    roughly 1 point
    FY25

    Expected contribution to organic growth.

    Currency Translation Headwind
    about 1 point
    FY25

    Expected headwind to sales.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Increase Drivers
    50 bps
    FY25

    Portion of the 100 bps margin increase.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Increase from Commercial Refrigeration Exit
    50 bps
    FY25

    Portion of the 100 bps margin increase.

    Residential HVAC 410A Prebuy
    $75 million to $100 million
    Q4 FY24

    Estimated pull-ahead from 2025 into 2024.

    Residential HVAC Movement (distributor to installer)
    up about 15%
    Q4 FY24

    Sales from distributors to installers.

    Residential HVAC Movement (distributor to installer)
    up about 15%
    January 2025

    Sales from distributors to installers.

    Residential HVAC Share Gain
    around 100 bps
    FY24

    Estimated market share gain.

    Residential HVAC 454B Price Increase
    10%
    FY25

    Expected price increase for 454B units.

    Residential HVAC Volume Impacted by Refrigerant Transition
    80%
    FY25

    Breakdown of volume impacted by refrigerant transition.

    Light Commercial HVAC Volume Impacted by Refrigerant Transition
    90%
    FY25

    Breakdown of volume impacted by refrigerant transition.

    Light Commercial HVAC 454B Price Increase
    mid- to high single-digit
    FY25

    Expected price increase for 454B units.

    K-12 Orders Growth
    20%
    FY24

    Orders growth in the K-12 vertical.

    Corporate Stranded Cost Elimination
    $45 million
    FY25

    Expected elimination of corporate stranded costs.

    Debt Paydown
    $1.2 billion
    Q1 FY25

    Planned debt paydown in Q1.

    Dividend Per Share Increase
    18%
    FY25

    Increase in dividend per share.

    Share Repurchases (YTD)
    $900 million
    YTD 2025

    Repurchased through the week prior to the call.

    Data Center Sales
    $0.5 billion
    FY24

    Total data center sales in 2024.

    Data Center Sales as % of CHVAC Total Sales
    about 10%
    FY24

    Share of commercial HVAC total sales.

    Data Center Sales as % of CHVAC Total Sales
    probably around 15%
    FY25

    Expected share of commercial HVAC total sales.

    Chiller Attachment Rate
    nearly 50%up from 44%
    Q4 FY24

    Attachment rate for chillers.

    Chiller Total Coverage
    around 80,000
    Q4 FY24

    Total number of chillers covered.

    Connected Chillers
    around 45,000
    FY24

    Number of chillers connected to digital platforms.

    Aftermarket/Services as % of Total Carrier Revenue
    27%
    Q4 FY24

    Current percentage of total revenue.

    US Employees
    about 10,000up about 20% over the last 5 years
    Q4 FY24

    Number of employees in the United States.

    New Technicians Initiative
    1,000
    Q4 FY24

    Initiative to add new technicians.

    Residential HVAC Movement (distributor to installer)
    down low teens
    Q4 FY23

    Sales from distributors to installers in the prior year comparable quarter.

    VCS EBITDA ROS
    low teens
    FY24

    EBITDA Return on Sales for Viessmann Climate Solutions.

    VCS Cost Synergies Run Rate
    $75 million
    FY24

    Run rate cost synergies for Viessmann Climate Solutions.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Price cost2 points%
    Order backlogmid-teens%
    Data center hvac exposure$1BUSD
    Organic operating leverage30%%
    Service aftermarket attachdouble-digit growth%
    Orders bookings growth by verticallow teens%

    Orderbook & backlog

    7
    Global Commercial HVAC Backlogup mid-teensQ4 FY24

    YoY

    Positioning for another year of double-digit growth in 2025.

    Total Company Organic Ordersup low teensQ4 FY24
    Overall HVAC Ordersup about 5%Q4 FY24
    Americas HVAC Ordersup about 10%Q4 FY24
    EMEA and Asia HVAC Organic Ordersdown mid-single digitsQ4 FY24
    Global Commercial HVAC Ordersup about 10%Q4 FY24
    Refrigeration Ordersup about 55%Q4 FY24

    Mostly due to very strong growth in North America truck and trailer on an easy comp.

    Product announcements

    3
    ProductTypeDetails
    QuantumLeap Integrated Cooling Solutionlaunch
    Cascadable Heat Pumps (up to 560 kW with natural refrigerants)launch
    Carrier Branded Air Conditioning Units (through Viessmann channel)launch

    Deals & partnerships

    3
    Viessmann Climate SolutionsIntegration of Viessmann Climate Solutions

    Integration completed in 2024, positioning Carrier for accelerated growth in residential HVAC in Europe.

    MultipleDivestiture of non-core businessesover $10 billion

    Completed portfolio transformation by divesting non-core businesses, yielding over $10 billion in gross proceeds.

    STLPartnership for liquid cooling solutions

    Partnership for single-phase liquid cooling, with new investment in a 2-phase refrigerant-based solution.

    Capital programs

    1
    North American Commercial HVAC Facility Expansionunderway

    Benefit: More than double North America commercial HVAC output

    A brand-new facility was stood up in about 7-8 months, significantly increasing capacity. The Charlotte, North Carolina facility is also maxing out, allowing for a 50% increase in its output.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Unexpected weakness in residential light commercial HVAC2024

    offset unexpected weakness

    Mitigation: Incorporated into 2025 guidance, with flat sales growth expected for Europe residential and light commercial.

    European market volume uncertainty for Viessmann Climate Solutions2025

    flat to down mid-single digits

    Mitigation: Management is focusing on controllables such as positive mix (heat pumps), aftermarket growth, price, revenue synergies, and cost synergies. The guide is considered balanced, potentially conservative.

    Revenue headwind from Q1 2024 backlog reduction for Viessmann Climate Solutions2025

    5-point full year revenue headwind

    Mitigation: This headwind is incorporated into the 2025 guidance, which assumes normalization of backlog in Q2 2025.

    Potential tariffs on Mexican importsunknown

    unknown impact (hypothetical 25% tariff mentioned)

    Mitigation: The team is preparing price actions, operational adjustments with suppliers, and contemplating other actions to mitigate any impact and ensure the $3 EPS target is met. Also leaning into US factories.

    Tough comparable periods for residential and light commercial HVACQ4 FY24, Q1 FY25

    Q4 2023 residential was down ~20%; Q4 2023 light commercial was up ~20%

    Mitigation: The 2025 guidance incorporates these tough comparisons, with Q1 light commercial expected to be down 5-10%.

    What to watch in Q1 FY25

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    Viessmann Climate Solutions EBITDA ROS

    FY25
    Currentlow teens (FY24)
    Targetmid-teens (FY25)

    Why it matters

    Indicates the effectiveness of cost synergies and market recovery in Europe, crucial for VCS profitability.

    We ended last year with our EBITDA ROS in the low teens. We think that with the actions that we've taken and will take, that will get to the mid-teens this year.

    Q&A highlights

    7

    Can you elaborate on the Q4 residential prebuy, its impact on Q1 inventory, and the strength of 'movement' (distributor to installer sales)?

    Management confirmed a modest prebuy of $75M-$100M in 410A units, in line with expectations, and will sell some 410A inventory in Q1. Movement was very strong, up 15% in Q4 and January, with channel inventory only slightly elevated, indicating underlying true demand.

    Movement, that is sales from our distributors to installers, has continued to be strong in January this year.

    asked by Jeffrey Sprague · answered by David Gitlin

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Portfolio Transformation and Strategic Focus

    Carrier completed its portfolio transformation in 2024, divesting non-core businesses and integrating Viessmann Climate Solutions, yielding over $10 billion in gross proceeds. This strategic realignment has enabled the company to reduce net leverage to approximately 2x and return over $2.6 billion to shareholders. The transformation positions Carrier for accelerated growth, with a renewed focus on digitally enabled life cycle solutions and integrated systems across homes, buildings, and cold chain ecosystems.

    02

    Data Center Growth and Innovation

    Data center sales are a significant growth driver for Carrier, expected to double to $1 billion in 2025 from $0.5 billion in 2024, increasing its share of commercial HVAC sales from 10% to 15%. The company launched QuantumLeap, an integrated cooling solution that combines traditional cooling, liquid cooling, and building/server management systems. This offering aims to provide a comprehensive, differentiated solution for hyperscalers and colocation providers, supported by increased North American commercial HVAC capacity.

    03

    Viessmann Climate Solutions (VCS) Outlook and Synergies

    Despite anticipated market volume uncertainty in Europe (flat to down mid-single digits) and a 5-point revenue headwind from prior-year backlog reduction, VCS is projected to achieve mid-teens EBITDA ROS in 2025, up from low teens. This improvement is driven by an expected increase in cost synergies to a $150 million run rate (from $75 million) and continued cost reduction efforts. The business also expects positive mix with double-digit heat pump growth and approximately $100 million in revenue synergies from multi-brand product sales through the Viessmann channel.

    04

    Residential HVAC Dynamics and Refrigerant Transition

    Q4 FY24 residential sales were up 35%, benefiting from strong volume and a 15% increase in movement (distributor to installer sales). Management estimates a modest prebuy of $75 million to $100 million in 410A units. For 2025, residential HVAC sales are projected to grow high single digits, primarily due to the mix-up from the 454B refrigerant transition, with volume expected to be flat to down low single digits. The company expects to realize a 10% price increase on 454B units.

    05

    Aftermarket and Services Expansion

    Aftermarket remains a key strategic focus, with double-digit growth expected for the fifth consecutive year. The company reports a nearly 50% attachment rate for chillers, an increase from 44%, and connected approximately 45,000 chillers last year. Aftermarket and services revenue currently represents about 27% of total Carrier revenue, with a strategic goal to increase this to closer to 30% in the coming years, driven by digital platforms like Abound and Lynx.

    06

    Tariff and Cost Management Strategies

    Carrier has successfully mitigated the impact of existing tariffs related to China and steel/aluminum in its 2025 guidance. The company is closely monitoring potential tariffs on Mexican imports, acknowledging the high degree of uncertainty. Management is preparing for various mitigation strategies, including price actions, operational adjustments with suppliers, and leveraging its U.S. manufacturing footprint, to ensure the achievement of its $3 EPS target regardless of tariff outcomes.

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