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    Earnings call· Dec 2024(Q4 FY24)

    HUBBELL INC HUBB

    Feb 4, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Hubbell Q4 FY24 — Strong Profit Growth Despite Sales Headwinds

    Hubbell delivered strong operational performance and significant margin expansion in Q4 FY24, driven by effective price/cost management and strategic capital deployment, notably the Systems Control acquisition. These efforts largely offset sales headwinds from customer destocking in utility distribution and weakness in Telecom markets. The company anticipates a positive inflection in 2025 as these temporary headwinds fade, supported by secular growth trends in electrification and data centers, aligning with its long-term financial framework.

    Highlights

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    • Achieved double-digit adjusted operating profit growth of 11% in Q4 FY24 and 9% for the full year.

    • Delivered double-digit adjusted earnings per share growth of 11% in Q4 FY24, with full-year adjusted EPS of $16.57 exceeding initial guidance.

    • Generated 28% growth in free cash flow in Q4 FY24, achieving over 90% conversion for the full year.

    • Expanded adjusted operating margin by 240 basis points in Q4 FY24 and 90 basis points for the full year.

    • Utility segment's grid infrastructure book-to-bill ratio was above one in Q4 FY24, the first time since early 2023.

    Concerns

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    • Reported flattish sales of $1.3 billion in Q4 FY24, below expectations due to year-end incentive-driven distortions and customer destocking.

    • Telecom enclosures sales were down 20% in Q4 FY24.

    • Utility distribution products continued to experience customer inventory rationalization.

    • The PCX acquisition caused a 4-point drag to the Electrical segment's sales in Q4 FY24.

    • Grid automation sales were down 11% in Q4 FY24 due to a challenging comparison from 37% growth in the prior year's Q4.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Full-year 2025 Organic Growth
    4% to 5%
    high materiality
    High
    Utility Solutions Organic Growth
    4% to 6%
    medium materiality
    High
    Electrical Solutions Organic Growth
    3% to 5%
    medium materiality
    High
    Electrical Solutions Data Center Business Growth
    mid-teens growth
    high materiality
    High
    Electrical Solutions Renewables and Electrical T&D Markets Growth
    solid mid-single-digit growth
    medium materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 Adjusted EPS
    $17.35 to $17.85
    high materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 Free Cash Flow Conversion
    at least 90% of adjusted net income
    high materiality
    High
    Q1 2025 EPS Contribution
    low 20s ballpark
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Q1 2025 Growth Rate
    a little bit less than Gerben's 4% to 5% full year growth
    low materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Utility Solutions
    Sales growth driven by Systems Control acquisition, supported by transmission, substation, and protection & controls. Partially offset by weakness in Telcom enclosures and utility distribution products due to destocking. Strong operational performance and attractive margins from Systems Control.
    Operating profit growth: 12%Margin expansion: 1.5 pointsTransmission and substation product areas: double-digit growthProtection and controls: double-digit growthTelcom enclosures: down 20%Utility distribution products: customer inventory rationalizationOrders in T&D area: solidGrid infrastructure book-to-bill: above one (first time since early 2023)Grid automation sales: down 11%
    4% sales growth4%22.9% margin
    Electrical Solutions
    Benefits from multi-year transformation and strong execution. Top line slightly down excluding residential lighting divestiture and PCX impact. Strong operating profit growth and margin expansion driven by exit of resi lighting, price/productivity, and business simplification.
    Margin expansion: 3.5 pointsPCX acquisition: 4-point drag to segment salesRenewables and data center balance of system: strengthLight industrial markets: very strong
    down slightlydown slightly10% operating profit growth

    Operational metrics

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    Adjusted Operating Profit Growth
    11%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Hubbell delivered strong double-digit growth in adjusted operating profit.

    Adjusted Operating Profit Growth
    9%YoY
    FY24

    On a full year basis, we achieved 9% adjusted operating profit growth.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    240YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Strong execution drove year-over-year adjusted operating margin expansion of 240 basis points.

    Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    90YoY
    FY24

    On a full year basis, we achieved 90 basis points of adjusted operating margin expansion.

    Adjusted EPS
    $16.57above high end of initial guidance
    FY24

    2024 adjusted earnings per share of $16.57 was above the high end of our initial guidance range.

    Adjusted EPS Growth
    11%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    On the EPS side, an increase of 11% to $4.10 in the quarter.

    Free Cash Flow Conversion
    90%above target
    FY24

    It delivered for the full year above our target of $800 million, which is about a 90% conversion rate.

    Capex Investments Growth
    doubledvs prior 3 years
    last 3 years

    CapEx for us over the past 3 years has doubled.

    Price Realization
    more than 1 point overall
    Q4 FY24

    4Q price was a little bit more than 1 point overall and a little bit more in Electrical than Utility.

    Mexico COGS Exposure
    mid-teens proportion
    current

    Analyst-confirmed estimate for COGS coming out of Mexico.

    Restructuring Benefits
    positive contributions
    2025

    We expect positive contributions from PCP and restructuring benefits.

    Investment Spending
    return of
    2025

    Partially offset by a return of investment spending needed to drive further growth and productivity initiatives.

    Tax Rate
    higherYoY
    2025

    We anticipate a higher year-over-year tax rate.

    Net Interest Expense
    lowerYoY
    2025

    Other expenses to be partially offset by lower net interest expense.

    Electrical Solutions Operating Profit Growth
    10%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Strong execution in Q4 with 10% operating profit growth.

    Electrical Solutions Operating Margin Expansion
    3.5YoY
    Q4 FY24

    About 3.5 points of margin expansion.

    Utility Solutions Operating Profit Growth
    9%YoY
    FY24

    For 2024, generating 9% operating profit growth.

    Utility Solutions Operating Profit Growth CAGR
    50%YoY
    FY22-FY23

    Compounding now on top of 50% growth over the prior 2 years of '22 and '23.

    Electrical Solutions PCX Sales Drag
    4
    Q4 FY24

    PCX acquisition caused a 4-point drag to the segment in the quarter.

    Utility Solutions Meters and AMI Business
    declineYoY
    2025

    We expect our meters and AMI business to decline year-over-year in 2025.

    Utility Solutions Telecom Markets
    return to growth
    2025

    We are confident that Telcom markets and high-margin utility distribution markets will return to growth.

    Utility Solutions High-margin Utility Distribution Markets
    return to growth
    2025

    We are confident that Telcom markets and high-margin utility distribution markets will return to growth.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Book to bill ratioabove one
    Orders bookings growth4% to 5%%
    M a acquisition contribution
    Backlog by segment end marketstrong visibility
    Data center exposure pipelinemid-teens growth%
    Incremental flow through margin

    Orderbook & backlog

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    Grid infrastructure book-to-billabove oneQ4 FY24

    first time since early 2023

    Suggests effects of destocking are fading in 2025.

    Systems Control backlogstrong visibilityQ4 FY24

    Supports high single-digit growth expectations for this business unit in 2025.

    PCX backlogsome visibilityQ4 FY24

    Gives confidence in a strong 2025 for PCX.

    Deals & partnerships

    3
    Systems ControlProvides turnkey solutions in the substation market.

    Acquisition and successful integration contributed significantly to success, particularly in the Utility segment.

    Residential lighting businessExit of residential lighting business.

    Disposed of, reducing Chinese exposure and improving Electrical segment margins.

    AccelTex (add-on)Bolt-on acquisition for wireless networks.$70-ish million purchase price

    Add-on to the Electrical segment, helps with powering and controlling around wireless networks. Closed on February 3, 2025.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Telecom markets weaknessQ4 FY24, expected to return to growth in 2025

    down 20% in Q4 FY24

    Mitigation: Rightsizing the business to current volume, focusing on profitable growth rather than just sales volume.

    Utility customer destockingQ4 FY24, fading in 2025

    impacting distribution products

    Mitigation: Improved visibility into IOU inventory levels, expectation of gradual return to growth.

    Macroeconomic uncertainty2025

    muted outlook in commercial and heavy industrial markets

    Mitigation: Focus on high visibility to continued electrical mega project activity driving relative strength across light industrial markets.

    Potential tariffs (Mexico/Canada)fluid situation, potential in 2025

    mid-teens proportion of Mexico COGS exposure

    Mitigation: Proactive commercial and operational planning, developing pricing regimes, calculating productivity moves, supply chain adjustments, and currency moves.

    PCX acquisition product redesignQ4 FY24, bouncing in Q1 FY25

    4-point drag to Electrical segment sales in Q4 FY24

    Mitigation: Product redesign with a key customer, with backlog providing confidence for a strong 2025.

    Grid automation challenging comparisonQ4 FY24, expected to continue in Q1 FY25, then improve

    sales down 11% in Q4 FY24 (vs 37% growth in Q4 last year)

    Mitigation: Expectation of improvement through the balance of Q2-Q4 FY25 after the strong Q1 FY24 compare.

    What to watch in Q1 FY25

    5

    Utility Distribution Products Destocking

    2025
    Currentcontinuing to experience customer inventory rationalization
    Targetfading here in 2025 / return to growth

    Why it matters

    Indicates a significant headwind turning into a tailwind for the Utility segment, impacting overall sales and profitability.

    The favorable order trend, actually, continued through January into our New Year here. And so we think that above one book-to-bill is strongly suggestive that the effects of the destocking we've been experiencing are fading here in 2025.

    Q&A highlights

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    Can you provide more visibility on the channel inventory situation, particularly the distinction between IOUs and munis/co-ops, and how much longer until the residual clears?

    Management clarified that visibility is better on IOUs, where destocking is most pronounced. They are seeing signs of destocking muting, particularly with VIP customers, and expect a gradual return to growth in 2025, though not a sharp inflection point. Public markets (munis/co-ops) already saw growth in 2024.

    But what we really feel good about is that we're starting to see now a return to growth, and I think we'll -- I wouldn't call it an inflection, but I would call it a positive signs that that's constructive to why we're providing the outlook for '25 that we are.

    asked by Jeffrey Sprague · answered by Gerben Bakker

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Q4 Performance and Operational Execution

    Hubbell reported strong double-digit growth in adjusted operating profit, adjusted EPS, and free cash flow for Q4 FY24, despite flattish sales. The company achieved 240 basis points of adjusted operating margin expansion in the quarter, driven by effective price/cost productivity and portfolio transformation efforts. Full-year adjusted EPS of $16.57 surpassed initial guidance, demonstrating the resilience of the business model in navigating market challenges🌐.

    02

    Utility Segment Dynamics and Destocking

    The Utility Solutions segment saw 4% sales growth, primarily from the Systems Control acquisition, and double-digit growth in transmission, substation, and protection & controls. However, this was partially offset by a 20% decline in Telecom enclosures and ongoing customer inventory rationalization in utility distribution products. Management noted that destocking is becoming more isolated to larger investor-owned utilities and is showing signs of fading, with grid infrastructure book-to-bill returning above one for the first time since early 2023.

    03

    Electrical Segment Transformation and Growth Drivers

    The Electrical Solutions segment continued its multi-year transformation, achieving 10% operating profit growth and 3.5 points of margin expansion in Q4. While overall sales were slightly down due to the residential lighting divestiture and a 4-point drag from the PCX acquisition, the segment saw strong performance in renewables, data center balance of system, and light industrial markets. The company expects continued benefits from business simplification and efficiency initiatives.

    04

    2025 Outlook and Market Trends

    Hubbell introduced a full-year 2025 outlook anticipating 4% to 5% organic growth, with Utility Solutions expected to grow 4% to 6% and Electrical Solutions 3% to 5%. Key growth drivers include electrification-driven load growth, transmission, substation, and grid protection & controls markets. The data center business within Electrical Solutions is projected for mid-teens growth, while renewables and electrical T&D markets are expected to see solid mid-single-digit growth, offsetting muted outlooks in commercial and heavy industrial markets.

    05

    Tariff Preparedness and Pricing Strategy

    The company has significantly reduced its exposure to Chinese tariffs since 2018 through divestitures and reshoring. Regarding potential tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports, management stated they are actively planning commercial and operational responses, including pricing adjustments and supply chain moves. They anticipate a very fluid situation but are prepared to absorb and neutralize any effects, noting that pricing discussions with customers are generally constructive around timing and magnitude rather than the necessity of increases.

    06

    Capital Allocation and M&A

    Hubbell highlighted its strong balance sheet and differentiated capital deployment strategy, including the successful integration of Systems Control. The company recently closed a small bolt-on acquisition for its Electrical segment, an add-on to AccelTex in the wireless networks space, valued at approximately $70 million. Management indicated a robust M&A pipeline across both segments, looking at various sizes and sources, and intends to remain an active investor.

    AI-generated summary of the company’s earnings call. Not investment advice.