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    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    INTUITIVE SURGICAL Q1 FY25 earnings call ISRG

    Apr 22, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Intuitive Surgical Q1 FY25 — Strong Procedure Growth and DV5 Adoption Amidst Tariff Headwinds

    Intuitive Surgical delivered a strong Q1 FY25, driven by robust procedure growth, particularly in the U.S. with the da Vinci 5 launch, and significant international expansion for Ion and SP platforms. The company raised its full-year procedure growth guidance, reflecting confidence in underlying demand and product adoption. However, new tariff impacts are expected to weigh on gross margins, and management is navigating a dynamic global trade environment while prioritizing supply chain stability and long-term investment in innovation.

    Highlights

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    • da Vinci procedure growth was 17% year-over-year, with day-adjusted growth at 18.5%.

    • Total da Vinci installed base exceeded 10,000 systems globally in Q1 2025.

    • Revenue grew 19% year-over-year to $2.25 billion, or 20% on a constant currency basis.

    • U.S. da Vinci 5 system placements were strong, with 147 systems placed in the quarter.

    • Ion procedures grew 58% to approximately 31,000 in the quarter, and SP procedures accelerated to 94% growth.

    Concerns

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    • Tariffs are expected to impact cost of sales by approximately 1.7% of revenue in FY25, leading to a revised gross margin guidance of 65%-66.5%.

    • OUS system placements were down slightly year-over-year (163 vs 165), reflecting financial pressures in Germany, the U.K., and Japan.

    • Bariatrics procedures in the U.S. declined in the mid-single-digit range.

    • Supply for force sensing instruments is constrained, limiting broad availability until near the end of 2025.

    • China market faces ongoing impact of domestic competition and policy-driven pressure on pricing, with 125% tariffs on imports of Xi systems.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Full-year 2025 procedure growth
    15% to 17%
    high materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 pro forma gross margin
    65% and 66.5% of revenue
    high materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 pro forma operating expense growth
    10% and 14%
    medium materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 noncash stock compensation expense
    $770 million and $790 million
    low materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 other income
    $370 million and $400 million
    low materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 capital expenditures
    $650 million to $750 million
    medium materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 pro forma income tax rate
    22% and 23% of pretax income
    low materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    U.S.
    Strong procedure growth driven by benign general surgery (cholecystectomy, foregut, appendectomy). Positive customer response to da Vinci 5 placements. Bariatrics procedures continued to decline.
    Day-adjusted procedure growth: 18.5%After-hours procedure growth: 36% year-over-yearda Vinci system placements: 204 systemsda Vinci 5 system placements: 147 systemsBariatrics procedures: declined mid-single-digit range
    13%
    OUS
    Strong procedure growth driven by India, Korea, distributor markets, and the U.K. Procedure growth in China improved and was above global average, primarily due to urologic procedures. System placements were slightly down year-over-year due to financial pressures and healthcare spending constraints in Germany, U.K., and Japan.
    da Vinci system placements: 163 systemsEurope system placements: 88 systemsChina system placements: 16 systemsJapan system placements: 10 systems
    24%

    Operational metrics

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    da Vinci installed base
    Over 10,000 systems15% growth
    Q1 FY25

    Exceeded 10,000 systems globally in Q1 2025, with 15% growth year-over-year.

    da Vinci procedures
    17%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Strong growth driven by general surgery in the U.S. and regional performance in India, Korea, distribution markets, and the U.K.

    da Vinci system placements
    367 systems17% higher than prior year
    Q1 FY25

    Includes 147 da Vinci 5 systems and 19 SP systems. Strong in the U.S. with mixed performance OUS.

    da Vinci 5 system placements
    147 systems
    Q1 FY25

    Part of the 367 total system placements in the quarter.

    SP system placements
    19 systemsvs 24 systems last year
    Q1 FY25

    Total SP system placements in Q1.

    Ion system placements
    49 systemsvs 70 in Q1 2024
    Q1 FY25

    Total Ion system placements in Q1.

    da Vinci 5 procedures performed
    Over 32,000 procedures
    Q1 FY25

    Procedures performed across a broad set of specialties using da Vinci 5 systems.

    Trade-in transactions
    67 transactionsvs 29 last year
    Q1 FY25

    Driven by some U.S. customers upgrading to da Vinci 5. Expected to occur progressively over multiple years.

    Revenue growth
    19%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Total revenue growth for the quarter.

    Systems revenue growth
    25%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Driven by a 17% increase in da Vinci system placements and a higher system ASP.

    Recurring revenue growth
    19%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Recurring revenue represented 85% of total revenue.

    Leasing as % of placements
    54%vs 51% last year
    Q1 FY25

    Driven by a higher mix of U.S. placements where customer preference leads to more lease arrangements. Expected to increase over time.

    System average selling price (ASP)
    $1.62 millionvs $1.39 million last year
    Q1 FY25

    Primarily driven by a higher mix of da Vinci 5 placements.

    Lease buyout revenue
    $39 millionvs $29 million last year
    Q1 FY25

    Revenue recognized from lease buyouts.

    Instrument and accessory (I&A) revenue per procedure
    $1,780flat to last year
    Q1 FY25

    Flat year-over-year due to offsetting dynamics in procedure mix and product mix.

    Ion procedures
    Approximately 31,00058% increase
    Q1 FY25

    Significant growth in Ion procedures.

    SP procedures
    94%growth
    Q1 FY25

    Accelerated growth driven by Korea and early adoption in Europe and Japan.

    Pro forma gross margin
    66.4%vs 67.6% for Q1 2024
    Q1 FY25

    Year-over-year decline primarily reflects increased depreciation from new facilities and a higher mix of newer platforms with lower gross margins. No significant tariff impact in Q1.

    Pro forma operating expenses
    12%increase compared with last year
    Q1 FY25

    Increased due to investments in growth objectives.

    Headcount increase
    Just over 500 employeessequentially
    Q1 FY25

    Increased to support revenue growth and long-term opportunities.

    Pro forma other income
    $91 millionup from $88 million in prior quarter
    Q1 FY25

    Primarily driven by higher interest income.

    Pro forma effective tax rate
    22.3%
    Q1 FY25

    In line with expectations.

    Pro forma net income
    $662 millionvs $541 million last year
    Q1 FY25

    Reported pro forma net income for the quarter.

    Pro forma EPS
    $1.81vs $1.50 last year
    Q1 FY25

    Reported pro forma earnings per share for the quarter.

    GAAP net income
    $698 millionvs $545 million last year
    Q1 FY25

    Reported GAAP net income for the quarter.

    GAAP EPS
    $1.92vs $1.51 last year
    Q1 FY25

    Reported GAAP earnings per share for the quarter.

    Cash and investments balance
    $9.1 billionvs $8.8 billion at end of last year
    Q1 FY25

    Sequential increase reflected cash generated from operating activities, partially offset by taxes and capital expenditures.

    Capital expenditures
    $117 million
    Q1 FY25

    Capital expenditures for the quarter.

    Tariff impact on cost of sales
    Approximately 1.7%
    FY25

    Expected impact for 2025, assuming implemented and announced tariffs remain in place. Impact expected to increase each quarter.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Tariff impactApproximately 1.7%% of revenue
    System utilization2%%
    Pricing realized priceFlatUSD
    New product launch ramp147 systemssystems
    Procedure volume growth17%%
    FCF conversion leverage guidance
    Installed base system placements367 systemssystems
    Consumables recurring revenue mix85%%
    Sales force commercial capacity buildJust over 500 employeesemployees
    Pivotal trial clinical evidence milestonesSignificantly higher rate of recovery%

    Product announcements

    2
    ProductTypeDetails
    da Vinci 5 fully integrated systemupdate
    da Vinci SP SureForm 45 staplerlaunch

    Risks & headwinds

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    Tariff impact on cost of salesFY25

    Approximately 1.7% of revenue for FY25 (plus or minus 30 bps)

    Mitigation: Prioritizing supply assurance, optimizing production costs, rebalancing product flows, assessing supply chain strategy and pricing adjustments once trade environment stabilizes. No significant beneficial impact expected in 2025 from mitigation efforts.

    OUS capital constraints and financial pressuresOngoing

    OUS system placements down from 165 to 163 YoY in Q1

    Mitigation: Helping customers increase utilization of existing capacity, providing economic tools to understand program returns, expanding leasing and usage-based arrangements in OUS markets.

    China market competition and policy pressureOngoing

    125% tariffs on imports of Xi systems and subassemblies into China

    Mitigation: Focused on clinical data collection to support broader commercialization strategy for Ion; tariffs may adversely impact ability to win future tenders for Xi systems.

    Decline in U.S. bariatrics proceduresConsistent with recent trends

    Mid-single-digit range decline in Q1 FY25

    Mitigation: Offsetting positive mix effect from SP platform and da Vinci 5 procedures on I&A revenue per procedure.

    Supply constraints for force sensing instrumentsBroad availability near the end of 2025

    Limited supply

    Mitigation: Ramping manufacturing operations and supply chain capabilities to support broad launch of da Vinci 5 and meet demand for force sensing instruments.

    Potential reprioritization of capital budgets by hospitalsNear-term to midterm

    Not yet shown up in core capital demand, but flagged as a risk

    Mitigation: Helping customers increase utilization, providing analytical tools for total cost to treat and profitability, expanding leasing and usage-based arrangements.

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    Tariff impact on gross margin

    Q2 FY25 and subsequent quarters
    CurrentNo significant impact in Q1
    TargetIncreased impact each quarter, reaching higher than 1.7% exit rate in Q4

    Why it matters

    Tariffs are a significant new headwind impacting profitability and the revised gross margin guidance. Monitoring its quarterly progression is crucial.

    As we said in prepared remarks, the impact of tariffs kind of increases each quarter through the year. So the exit rate in Q4 is going to be higher than the 1.7%.

    Q&A highlights

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    Can you break down the 1.7% tariff impact for 2025 by region (China vs. Mexico/Europe) and discuss the cadence through the year? Also, what are the potential mitigation levers and their timing?

    Roughly half of the 1.7% impact is from U.S.-China trade, and about 40% from imports into the U.S. from OUS suppliers (ex-China, Mexico, Canada) and European endoscopes. The impact will increase each quarter in 2025. Mitigation efforts will be assessed as the environment stabilizes, focusing on dual sourcing, strategic reserves, optimizing existing manufacturing footprint, and long-term footprint adjustments, but no significant beneficial impact is expected in 2025.

    roughly half-ish of the impact is U.S.-China trade, both directions and about 40% of the impact is imports into the U.S. ex China, Mexico, Canada of raw materials and components from OUS-based suppliers and imports of endoscopes from our factories in Europe.

    asked by Travis Steed · answered by Jamie Samath

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    Detailed Narrative

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    da Vinci 5 Rollout and Feature Enhancements

    The rollout of da Vinci 5 is progressing as expected, with 147 systems placed and over 32,000 procedures performed across various specialties in Q1. The first fully integrated system, featuring software for integrated hub and simulator, was installed in April. Additional features like real-time surgical video review and visual force feedback gauges are pending 510(k) clearance later this year. Broad launch, including meeting customer demand for trade-ins and dual consoles, is anticipated midyear, with regulatory clearances in Japan and Europe expected near the end of 2025.

    02

    Force Feedback Technology and Clinical Evidence

    Force Feedback is a core feature of da Vinci 5, with early single-institution studies showing promising results. One study indicated a significantly higher rate of bowel function recovery (83% vs 25%) in kidney surgery using force feedback instruments. Another preclinical study with novice surgeons demonstrated improved performance by significantly reducing tissue trauma and errors during suturing. While supply for force sensing instruments is currently limited, broad availability is expected near the end of 2025, and more studies are anticipated to publish in 2025 and beyond to validate its impact at scale.

    03

    Ion and SP Platform Progress

    Ion procedures grew 58% to approximately 31,000 in Q1, with the platform receiving clearance in Australia and its first provincial charge code in China. The company is focused on utilization growth in the U.S. and international expansion, estimating U.S. lung biopsy penetration is approaching the halfway point. SP procedure growth accelerated to 94%, driven by strong performance in Korea and early adoption in Europe and Japan. U.S. 510(k) clearance for the da Vinci SP SureForm 45 stapler will support use in thoracic and colorectal indications, with commercialization efforts being measured.

    04

    Tariff Impact and Mitigation Strategy

    Intuitive Surgical expects tariffs to result in an additional cost of sales of approximately 1.7% of revenue for FY25, leading to a revised gross margin outlook. This impact is roughly split between U.S.-China trade (50%) and imports into the U.S. from other OUS suppliers (40%). The company's strategy involves first assuring supply, then optimizing production costs and rebalancing product flows within its existing manufacturing footprint, and finally assessing adjustments to pricing and supply chain strategy once the trade environment stabilizes. No significant beneficial impact from mitigation measures is expected in 2025.

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    Global Manufacturing Footprint Expansion

    The company is expanding its manufacturing and R&D footprint significantly. In Q1, two new facilities were opened at its Sunnyvale, California headquarters, totaling over 1.2 million square feet, for da Vinci systems and Ion manufacturing and R&D. These facilities, along with a recently opened factory in Peachtree Corners, Georgia, provide space for midterm growth. New manufacturing facilities are also expected to open in Germany and Bulgaria, and instrument manufacturing capacity will expand in Mexico, aiming for supply availability, quality, and cost advantages from scale and automation.

    06

    OUS Market Dynamics and Capital Environment

    OUS procedure growth was strong at 24%, driven by India, Korea, distributor markets, and the U.K., where resource consumption savings and addressing waiting lists are key drivers. However, OUS system placements were slightly down, reflecting financial pressures and healthcare spending constraints in key markets like Japan, Germany, and the U.K. The environment in China continues to be challenging due to domestic competition and policy-driven pricing pressure. Management is focused on helping customers increase utilization of existing capacity and expanding leasing options in these markets.

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