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    Earnings call· Jun 2025(Q2 FY25)

    JPMORGAN CHASE Q2 FY25 earnings call JPM

    Jul 15, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    JPMorgan Chase Q2 FY25 — Strong Performance Across Segments, Regulatory Reform Advocated

    JPMorgan Chase delivered a strong Q2 FY25, with robust performance across most business segments, particularly in CIB and AWM, despite some NII compression. Management highlighted the resilience of its diversified model and advocated for comprehensive regulatory reform to simplify the system and encourage lending. The firm is actively exploring inorganic opportunities and digital asset strategies while maintaining a cautious outlook on market volatility.

    Highlights

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    • Firm-wide ROTCE of 21% reported for the quarter.

    • CIB revenue increased 9% year-on-year to $19.5 billion, driven by strong IB fees and Markets performance.

    • Investment Banking fees were up 7% year-on-year, with advisory fees up 8% and debt underwriting up 12%.

    • Asset & Wealth Management revenue grew 10% year-on-year to $5.8 billion, supported by $31 billion in long-term net inflows.

    • Card Services & Auto revenue was up 15% year-on-year, with Card outstandings increasing 9%.

    Concerns

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    • NII ex Markets was down 1% year-on-year, or $185 million, due to lower rates and deposit margin compression.

    • NIR ex Markets decreased 31% year-on-year, or $6.3 billion, primarily due to prior year's Visa share gain and investment securities losses.

    • CET1 ratio decreased 40 basis points quarter-on-quarter to 15%, driven by capital distributions and higher RWA.

    • Home Lending revenue was down 5% year-on-year, predominantly due to lower NII.

    • Equity underwriting fees were down 6% year-on-year.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    NII ex Markets
    approximately $92 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Total NII
    about $95.5 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Adjusted Expense
    about $95.5 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Card Net Charge-Off Rate
    approximately 3.6%
    medium materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Consumer & Community Banking (CCB)
    Revenue growth driven by Card Services & Auto and Wealth Management. Expenses increased due to technology and auto lease depreciation. Credit costs were in line with expectations.
    Banking & Wealth Management revenue: up 3%Wealth Management revenue: higherDeposit NII: relatively flatAverage deposits: down 1% YoYAverage deposits: flat sequentiallyClient investment assets: up 14% YoYHome Lending revenue: down 5% YoYCard Services & Auto revenue: up 15% YoYCard NII: higherCard outstandings: up 9%Auto originations: up 5%Expenses: $9.9 billionExpenses growth: up 5% YoYCredit costs: $2.1 billionNet charge-offs: $2.1 billion (relatively flat YoY)
    $18.8 billion6%$5.2 billion Net Income
    Commercial & Investment Bank (CIB)
    Strong revenue growth driven by Markets and Investment Banking fees. Expenses increased due to compensation, brokerage, and technology. Loan growth was primarily from new loans with larger corporates, while credit costs were driven by C&I portfolio builds.
    IB fees: up 7% YoYWallet share: 8.9% (#1 rank)Advisory fees: up 8%Debt underwriting fees: up 12%Equity underwriting fees: down 6% YoYPayments revenue: up 3% YoY (excluding equity investments)Lending revenue: down 6% YoYMarkets total revenue: up 15% YoYFixed income: up 14%Equities: up 15%Security Services revenue: up 12% YoYExpenses: $9.6 billionExpenses growth: up 5% YoYAverage Banking & Payments loans: down 2% YoYAverage Banking & Payments loans: up 2% QoQAverage client deposits: up 16% YoYAverage client deposits: up 5% sequentiallyCredit costs: $696 million
    $19.5 billion9%$6.7 billion Net Income
    Asset & Wealth Management (AWM)
    Revenue growth driven by management fees on strong net inflows and higher market levels, as well as higher brokerage activity and deposit balances. Expenses increased due to compensation and distribution fees.
    Pretax margin: 34%Expenses: $3.7 billionExpenses growth: up 5% YoYLong-term net inflows: $31 billionLiquidity net inflows: $5 billionAUM: $4.3 trillionAUM growth: up 18% YoYClient assets: $6.4 trillionClient assets growth: up 19% YoYLoans: up 7% YoYLoans: up 3% QoQDeposits: up 9% YoYDeposits: up 2% sequentially
    $5.8 billion10%$1.5 billion Net Income
    Corporate
    Net income includes a $774 million income tax benefit. NII decreased significantly year-on-year, while NIR showed growth excluding prior year's one-time gains. Expenses were lower excluding a prior year Foundation contribution.
    NII: $1.5 billionNII growth: down $875 million YoYNIR: $49 millionNIR growth: up $148 million YoY (excluding prior year Visa-related gains)Expenses: $547 millionExpenses growth: down $32 million YoY (excluding Foundation contribution)
    $1.5 billion$1.7 billion Net Income

    Operational metrics

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    Return on Tangible Common Equity (ROTCE)
    21%
    Q2 FY25

    Firm-wide ROTCE reported for the quarter.

    Revenue growth
    -10%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Firm-wide revenue decrease year-on-year.

    Net Interest Income (NII) ex Markets growth
    -1%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    NII ex Markets decreased year-on-year.

    Noninterest Revenue (NIR) ex Markets growth
    -31%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    NIR ex Markets decreased year-on-year, excluding net gain related to Visa shares and net investment securities losses in prior year.

    Noninterest Revenue (NIR) ex Markets growth (adjusted)
    8%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Adjusted NIR ex Markets increased year-on-year.

    Markets revenue growth
    15%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Firm-wide Markets revenue increased year-on-year.

    Expenses growth (adjusted)
    5%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Adjusted expenses increased year-on-year.

    SCB floor
    2.5%
    4Q '25

    Indicative SCB is floored at 2.5% and goes into effect in 4Q '25.

    Dividend per share increase
    $1.50
    Q3 FY25

    Board's intention to increase the dividend to $1.50 per share in the third quarter.

    Unemployment rate
    4.1%
    Current

    Cited as a key factor supporting consumer credit health.

    Loan to deposits ratio (historical)
    70%vs 100% previously
    Current

    Historical comparison of total loan to deposits ratio, indicating a significant change over 10-15 years.

    Mortgage cost increase due to regulation
    30-50
    Current

    Estimated increase in mortgage costs due to excessive securitization, origination, and servicing requirements.

    Sapphire Card customer value to annual fee ratio
    market leading
    Q2 FY25

    Described as a key competitive advantage after the Sapphire card refresh.

    C&I loan growth
    $33 billion>6% QoQ
    Q2 FY25

    Extraordinary growth in C&I loans during the quarter.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Loans
    Deposits
    Rotce ROE21%%
    Cet1 ratio15%%
    Capital returns$1.50USD
    Fee income lines
    Allowance reserves$439 millionUSD
    Net interest income$95.5 billionUSD
    Net interest margin
    Net charge offs npls$2.4 billionUSD
    Total operating expenses$95.5 billionUSD
    Provision for credit losses$2.8 billionUSD
    Efficiency ratio operating leverage

    Risks & headwinds

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    Regulatory burden and complexityOngoing

    Loan-to-deposit ratio decreased from 100% to 70%; mortgage costs increased by 30-50 bps due to regulation.

    Mitigation: Advocating for holistic regulatory review to simplify rules (SLR, G-SIFI, CCAR, Basel III, FSRT) and reduce overlap, aiming for a safer, cheaper, and more effective system that encourages lending.

    Geopolitical and market volatility impacting deal pipelinesShort-to-medium term

    Pipelines can grow and shrink rapidly; market sentiment can change overnight.

    Mitigation: Acknowledging the dynamic environment and cautious approach to forecasting pipeline conversion; focusing on organic growth and client relationships.

    Tariff policy changesOngoing

    Impact on different sectors varies based on margins, input costs, pricing power, and leverage.

    Mitigation: Monitoring closely and noting that customers are getting time to adjust; some initial risks reduced by tax bill extension and tariff discussions.

    Potential 'peak private credit'Medium-term

    Credit spreads are very low, and the market has grown dramatically.

    Mitigation: JPM can do private credit internally; cautious approach to large acquisitions in this space due to high valuations and potential for market shifts.

    Deposit margin compression and lower ratesOngoing

    NII ex Markets down $185 million or 1% YoY.

    Mitigation: Offset by higher wholesale deposits, higher revolving balances in Card, and securities activity; managing balance sheet duration to balance tails of rate exposure.

    Nonperforming assets (NPAs) in Home LendingQ2 FY25

    Uptick in nonperforming assets.

    Mitigation: Primarily technical, related to forbearance for Home Lending customers in the LA area due to wildfires; actual loss expectation is de minimis due to land value and insurance.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

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    NII ex Markets guidance

    next quarter
    Currentapprox. $92 billion (FY25)
    TargetConfirmation or revision of FY25 guidance

    Why it matters

    NII ex Markets is a key driver of profitability, and its trajectory is sensitive to rate changes and deposit dynamics.

    First, we now expect NII ex Markets to be approximately $92 billion, with the increase driven by changes in the forward curve and strong deposit growth in Payments, Security Services as well as balanced growth in Card.

    Q&A highlights

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    Is there optimism about financial deregulation, and what are the bank's priorities for capital allocation, including inorganic growth?

    Jamie Dimon expressed hope for a holistic regulatory review to simplify the system and make it safer, cheaper, and more effective. Jeremy Barnum stated that all capital uses, including inorganic growth, are on the table, but acquisitions have a high bar and are not particularly likely for large deals, though small ones are common.

    I think it's very important that the regulators step back and kind of look at the big picture now, not just one picture, so nothing has happened yet. I think they should be looking at all these things.

    asked by Christopher McGratty · answered by James Dimon

    3 min read7 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Advocacy for Regulatory Reform

    CEO Jamie Dimon emphasized the need for regulators to conduct a holistic review of the financial system, arguing that current regulations (SLR, G-SIFI, CCAR, Basel III, FSRT) are overlapping and could be simplified to create a safer, more effective, and cheaper system. He highlighted that the system has seen increasing regulations for 15 years and that a comprehensive review could enhance liquidity, increase lending, and reduce risk, potentially allowing loan-to-deposit ratios to return to 85% from the current 70%.

    02

    Capital Allocation and Inorganic Growth

    Management reiterated its capital hierarchy: organic/inorganic growth, sustainable dividend, then buybacks. While acknowledging a significant amount of excess capital, they noted that inorganic opportunities face a high bar, requiring financial, strategic, and cultural fit. They also cautioned that acquisitions outside the regulated perimeter might not work inside it, but stressed the importance of continuously evaluating opportunities, especially smaller, strategic deals.

    03

    Digital Assets and Open Banking Strategy

    JPMorgan Chase is actively involved in both its own deposit token (JPM Coin) and stablecoins, aiming to understand and be proficient in the evolving digital asset space. Jamie Dimon questioned the necessity of stablecoins over traditional payments but acknowledged the innovation from fintechs. Regarding open banking, the firm supports customers' right to share information but advocates for clear rules on data usage, time limits, non-resale to third parties, and liability shifts for scams or fraud originating from third-party access.

    04

    Middle Market and Consumer Credit Health

    The firm expressed strong commitment to the middle market business, providing a wide range of services beyond lending. Consumer credit quality remains robust, with no significant signs of weakness, even in lower-income bands, aligning with expectations and a 4.1% unemployment rate. While government data shows a slight slowdown in real consumer spending, JPM's internal data indicates nominal spending is up, supporting a soft landing narrative.

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    Markets and Investment Banking Performance

    The CIB segment saw strong performance, with Markets revenue up 15% year-on-year, driven by Fixed Income (up 14%) and Equities (up 15%). Investment Banking fees also increased 7%, with advisory and debt underwriting showing particular strength. Management noted a more upbeat market sentiment and a robust pipeline, though Jamie Dimon cautioned on the unpredictable nature of pipeline conversion, especially for sponsor-owned companies in public markets.

    06

    Sapphire Card Refresh and Competitive Landscape

    JPMorgan Chase completed a refresh of its Sapphire card product, which management described as a normal course update for a high-profile offering. They highlighted the dramatic increase in customer value proposition, particularly the market-leading ratio of customer value to the annual fee. The firm views this as putting its 'best foot forward' in the highly competitive and dynamic card space.

    07

    C&I Loan Growth and NII Discrepancy

    The firm experienced extraordinary C&I loan growth of $33 billion on average, representing over 6% quarter-over-quarter. However, this strong loan growth did not translate directly into higher NII or lending income in the Commercial & Investment Bank, which saw NII down 2% and lending income down 4%. Management attributed this discrepancy to the impact of hedges, the late-quarter timing of📎 asset additions, and the Markets NII component.

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