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    Earnings call· Dec 2024(Q2 FY25)

    KLA Q2 FY25 earnings call KLAC

    Jan 30, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    KLA Q2 FY25 — Strong Outperformance Driven by Leading-Edge Logic and Advanced Packaging

    KLA delivered strong outperformance in calendar 2024, driven by leading-edge logic, high-bandwidth memory, and accelerating advanced packaging demand. The company anticipates continued growth in 2025, expecting to outperform the WFE market despite headwinds from U.S. export controls in China. KLA's strategic focus on process control intensity and innovative solutions positions it well for future technology ramps and sustained profitability.

    Highlights

    5
    • Calendar 2024 revenue grew 12% to a record $10.85 billion, outperforming the WFE market.

    • Process Control revenue grew over 12% in CY24, indicating increased market share.

    • Services business grew 15% to $2.5 billion in CY24 and achieved 50 consecutive quarters of year-over-year growth.

    • Advanced packaging revenue grew to approximately $500 million in CY24 and is expected to exceed $800 million in CY25.

    • December quarter revenue topped $3 billion for the first time, with non-GAAP diluted EPS of $8.20, above guidance midpoint.

    Concerns

    3
    • Impact on KLA's revenue in CY25 from new U.S. government export controls is estimated at approximately $500 million, plus or minus $100 million.

    • China revenue percentage is expected to drop to about 29% in CY25 from 41% in CY24, translating to a ~20% decline in China business.

    • Service business growth is expected to be in the high single digits for CY25, below the long-term model, due to China access restrictions.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    WFE market growth
    mid-single-digit percentage
    high materiality
    High
    Advanced packaging revenue
    exceed $800 million
    high materiality
    High
    China export control revenue impact
    approximately $500 million, plus or minus $100 million
    high materiality
    High
    Total revenue
    $3 billion, plus or minus $150 million
    high materiality
    High
    Foundry/Logic revenue from semiconductor customers
    approximately 73%
    medium materiality
    High
    Memory revenue from semiconductor customers
    approximately 27%
    medium materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP gross margin
    62%, plus or minus 1 percentage point
    high materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP gross margin
    approximately 62%, plus or minus 50 basis points
    high materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP operating expenses
    approximately $585 million
    medium materiality
    High
    Sequential increase in operating expenses
    approximately $15 million per quarter
    medium materiality
    High
    Incremental non-GAAP operating margin leverage
    40% to 50%
    medium materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP other income and expense net
    approximately $36 million expense
    low materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP other income and expense net
    roughly consistent with March quarter
    low materiality
    High
    Tax assumption
    13.5%
    low materiality
    High
    Tax assumption
    13.5%
    low materiality
    High
    Tax rate (Pillar 2 implementation)
    approximately 14%
    low materiality
    Medium
    GAAP diluted EPS
    $7.77, plus or minus $0.60
    high materiality
    High
    Non-GAAP diluted EPS
    $8.05, plus or minus $0.60
    high materiality
    High
    KLA growth outperformance
    outperform the mid-single-digit growth rate
    high materiality
    High
    Service business growth
    high single digits
    medium materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Process Control
    Grew over 12% in calendar 2024, indicating increased market share.
    over 12%
    Services
    Grew to $2.5 billion in calendar 2024. December quarter revenue was $667 million, up 4% sequentially and 18% year-over-year, marking 50 consecutive quarters of year-over-year growth.
    $2.5 billion15%
    Advanced Packaging
    Revenue grew to approximately $500 million in calendar 2024. Expected to exceed $800 million in calendar 2025.
    $500 million
    Foundry/Logic (Semi Process Control Systems)
    Forecasted to be approximately 73% of Semi Process Control Systems revenue to semiconductor customers in the March quarter.
    Revenue mix: 73% (March quarter forecast)
    Memory (Semi Process Control Systems)
    Expected to be approximately 27% of Semi Process Control Systems revenue to semiconductor customers in the March quarter, with DRAM making up 75% and NAND 25% of the memory mix.
    Revenue mix: 27% (March quarter forecast)DRAM mix: 75% of memory revenueNAND mix: 25% of memory revenue
    EPC (Equipment and Process Control)
    Expected to grow at mid-single digits in CY25, impacted by the wind-down of flat panel display (FPD) business. SPTS and ICOS components are growing, while PCB businesses show less growth.
    mid-single digits

    Operational metrics

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    Revenue growth
    12%YoY
    CY24

    Record revenue of $10.85 billion in calendar 2024.

    Non-GAAP gross margin
    61%
    CY24

    Maintained industry-leading gross margin.

    Non-GAAP operating margin
    41%
    CY24

    Maintained industry-leading operating margin.

    Capital return
    $2.9 billion
    CY24

    Returned $2.9 billion in a combination of dividends and share buybacks.

    Free cash flow margin
    31%
    CY24

    Putting KLA amongst the top companies in the S&P 500.

    Non-GAAP gross margin
    61.7%
    December quarter

    Reported for the December quarter.

    Operating expenses
    $596 million
    December quarter

    Comprised of $342 million in R&D and $254 million in SG&A.

    Operating margin
    42.3%
    December quarter

    Reported for the December quarter.

    Non-GAAP other income and expense net
    $31 million expense
    December quarter

    Reported for the December quarter.

    Effective tax rate
    13.7%
    December quarter

    Reported for the December quarter.

    Net income
    $1.1 billion
    December quarter

    Reported for the December quarter.

    Cash and investments balance
    $3.8 billion
    December quarter

    Total cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities.

    Debt
    $5.9 billion
    December quarter

    Total debt as of December quarter end.

    Capital return
    $877 million
    December quarter

    Comprised of $650 million of share repurchase and $227 million in dividends.

    Capital return
    $2.9 billion
    LTM

    Total capital return over the past 12 months.

    China revenue percentage
    41%
    CY24

    Finished the year with 41% of business in China.

    China revenue percentage
    36%
    December quarter

    Finished the December quarter at 36% of business in China.

    China revenue percentage
    29%down from 41% in CY24
    CY25

    Expected to drop to about 29% plus or minus a point or two in CY25.

    China business decline
    20%YoY
    CY25

    Translates into an overall China business down somewhere around 20% or so for CY25.

    Fully diluted share count
    133.3 million
    March quarter

    Used for EPS guidance.

    DRAM process control intensity increase
    100-150 basis pointsvs historical 9-10%
    Current

    HBM devices are moving the needle for DRAM process control intensity from historical 9-10% of WFE.

    NAND business improvement
    tick up
    CY24 into CY25

    The NAND business has seen a tick up from very low levels, with some expected WFE growth, but not significant in 2025.

    FPD gross margin enhancement
    20 bps
    CY25

    Losing the FPD piece enhances gross margins by probably 20 bps due to richer revenue mix.

    FPD operating margin enhancement
    30 bps
    CY25

    Losing the FPD piece enhances operating margins by probably 30 bps due to richer revenue mix.

    KLA share of WFE at N2 vs N3
    90-100 basis points highervs N3
    Current

    KLA's share of WFE at the N2 node is likely 90-100 basis points higher than at N3, trending in the right direction.

    China revenue percentage
    high 20s, maybe 30%down from 35% in Dec Q
    March quarter

    Expected to drop from the 35% level in the December quarter into the high 20s, maybe 30% at the highest, for the March quarter.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Backlog order bookdown $900 millionUSD
    Wfe industry spend outlookmid-single-digit percentage growth%
    Design wins socket pipelineN2 new takeouts higher than N3 and N5 in first 2 years
    Node platform ramp scheduleN2 node
    End market segment revenue mixFoundry/Logic: ~73%; Memory: ~27%%

    Orderbook & backlog

    1
    RPOdown $900 millionDecember quarter

    down

    About half related to de-bookings due to December 2 regulations; the other half due to higher shipment levels.

    Risks & headwinds

    5
    Impact of new U.S. government export controls on China revenueCY25

    approximately $500 million, plus or minus $100 million in CY25

    Mitigation: Hopeful for licensing opportunities, but taking a cautious view due to significant delays in processing license requests.

    Lower overall demand from ChinaCY25

    China business down ~20% in CY25; China revenue percentage drops to ~29% in CY25 from 41% in CY24

    Mitigation: KLA's business model is resilient due to focus on process qualification and continuous investment in greenfield fabs.

    Headwind to Service business growth from China access restrictionsCY25

    CY25 Service growth in high single digits (below long-term model)

    Mitigation: Long-term growth trajectory remains positive as inhibited capacity needs to be added elsewhere, creating future opportunities.

    Inefficiency from moving resources due to China impactShort run

    discussed_not_quantified

    Mitigation: Company will have to deal with some inefficiency as staff are moved to support other customers.

    Wind-down of flat panel display (FPD) businessEnd of March quarter

    FPD revenue coming out of EPC segment

    Mitigation: Loss of FPD revenue enhances gross margin (20 bps) and operating margin (30 bps) due to richer revenue mix.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

    5

    China export control license mitigation

    Next quarter / Midyear
    CurrentApproximately $500M impact estimated for CY25, with cautious view on licenses
    TargetAny successful license approvals or mitigation of the $500M impact

    Why it matters

    Mitigation of export control impacts could provide upside to CY25 revenue guidance and improve China business outlook.

    While we are hopeful, based on our interpretation of the regulations, that there should be licensing opportunities that will mitigate some of this impact, we are taking a cautious view given the significant delays in processing license requests by the U.S. government over the past few years.

    Q&A highlights

    6

    Given peers' WFE views and litho spending, what is happening to the process control market, and does it suggest the mid-single-digit WFE growth is conservative?

    KLA expects its share of WFE to increase in 2025 due to greater process control intensity at the N2 node, HBM production, and accelerating advanced packaging growth. These factors more than offset a changing mix with more DRAM.

    As we move into '25, we've got more investment in leading edge, and that's certainly a nice driver for our business, and we're already seeing KLA's share of WFE at the N2 node being meaningfully greater than what we saw at N3.

    asked by Michael Mani · answered by Bren Higgins

    3 min read7 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Calendar 2024 Performance Highlights

    KLA achieved record revenue of $10.85 billion in calendar 2024, marking a 12% growth year-over-year and demonstrating relative outperformance compared to the WFE market. The Process Control segment grew over 12%, indicating market share gains, while the Services business expanded by 15% to $2.5 billion. The company maintained strong profitability with gross and operating margins at 61% and 41%, respectively, and generated $3.4 billion in free cash flow, returning $2.9 billion to shareholders.

    02

    December Quarter Results and Industry Environment

    For the December quarter, KLA's revenue exceeded $3 billion for the first time, and non-GAAP diluted EPS reached $8.20, both surpassing the midpoint of guidance despite the impact of new U.S. export controls. Management noted an improving industry environment driven by strong demand in leading-edge logic, high-bandwidth memory (HBM), and advanced packaging. These trends are fueled by increased investments in AI and high-performance computing, positioning KLA favorably for continued growth.

    03

    AI as a Key Catalyst and Enabler

    AI is identified as a crucial catalyst and enabler for KLA's business, driving higher volume and value wafer demand, more complex designs, and accelerated product cycles. The company's experience in developing AI models for its inspection systems supports the theory that increased compute efficiency leads to greater AI adoption. KLA sees no immediate impact on advanced semiconductor demand from increased AI compute efficiency, as demand is elastic and growing.

    04

    Advanced Packaging Momentum

    The advanced packaging portfolio continued its strong momentum, with revenue growing to approximately $500 million in calendar 2024 and projected to exceed $800 million in calendar 2025. This growth is driven by the increasing demand for more powerful systems-on-chips and complex heterogeneous chip integration, which elevates the value and need for process control in chip packaging. KLA's solutions, including inspection and metrology derivatives, are critical for managing yield risks in these advanced architectures.

    05

    WFE Market Outlook and KLA's Position

    KLA expects the WFE market to grow by a mid-single-digit percentage in 2025, primarily fueled by investments in leading-edge Foundry/Logic and memory for AI and premium mobile. The company anticipates outperforming this market growth due to increased process control intensity at the leading edge, particularly at the 2-nanometer node and in HBM production. KLA's share of WFE at the N2 node is expected to be meaningfully greater than at N3, further contributing to its outperformance.

    06

    China Export Control Impact and Mitigation

    The company estimates a revenue impact of approximately $500 million (plus or minus $100 million) in calendar 2025 from U.S. export controls in China, with about 70% affecting the systems business. While hopeful for licensing opportunities to mitigate some impact, KLA is taking a cautious view due to processing delays. China's revenue contribution is expected to decrease from 41% in CY24 to about 29% in CY25, leading to an overall ~20% decline in China business.

    07

    Process Control Intensity and Innovation

    Process control intensity is increasing across the industry, particularly in advanced DRAM (HBM) due to larger die sizes, less redundancy, and more complex logic circuitry. KLA's new solutions, such as reticle verification on wafer (print check), are finding new defect problems and driving adoption even in prior nodes. This innovation, coupled with the challenges of scaling and the value of advanced devices, creates continued tailwinds for KLA's process control business.

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