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    Earnings call· Dec 2024(Q4 FY24)

    LINDE Q4 FY24 earnings call LIN

    Feb 6, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Linde Q4 FY24 — Record Backlog and Double-Digit EPS Growth Despite FX Headwinds

    Linde delivered a strong Q4 FY24, achieving double-digit EPS growth and record sale of gas backlog, driven by disciplined capital allocation and management actions. The company issued 2025 EPS guidance reflecting a significant FX headwind and a cautious economic outlook, particularly in Europe and China, while anticipating increased momentum in the US in the second half. Management remains focused on self-help initiatives and project execution to mitigate macro weakness and sustain shareholder value.

    Highlights

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    • Q4 FY24 Operating profit grew 9% to $2.5 billion, resulting in a 29.9% margin.

    • Q4 FY24 EPS grew 11% (13% excluding FX) to $3.97.

    • Full year 2024 capital returned to shareholders totaled $7 billion.

    • Record sale of gas backlog reached $7.1 billion, including a $2+ billion DOW win in Canada.

    • Increased active low carbon and renewable energy consumption by 19% year-over-year, now over 40% of total power consumption.

    Concerns

    4
    • Full year 2025 EPS guidance includes an estimated 4% currency translation headwind.

    • Volume growth was flat in Q4 FY24, with lower base volumes in EMEA and sequential decline due to softer EMEA metals and mining volumes and APAC seasonality.

    • Europe is expected to see continued softening in 2025, primarily in Western Europe, impacting metals, manufacturing, chemicals, and energy sectors.

    • China industrial volumes and activity are expected to remain stable but flat in 2025, with Metals and Mining likely negative year-on-year.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Full Year 2025 Adjusted EPS
    $16.15 to $16.55
    high materiality
    High
    Q1 2025 Adjusted EPS
    $3.85 to $3.95
    medium materiality
    High
    Long-term EPS Growth
    10%+ each year
    high materiality
    High
    Long-term Margin Expansion
    20 to 50 basis points
    medium materiality
    Medium
    GHG Emissions Reduction
    35%
    medium materiality
    High

    Segment performance

    1
    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Healthcare
    Around 0% organic growth every quarter in 2024 due to portfolio rationalization in the US home care business (Lincare). Expects long-term mid-single-digit growth once portfolio actions are lapped.
    0%

    Operational metrics

    30
    Sales
    $8.3 billionflat YoY, down 1% sequentially
    Q4 FY24

    Foreign currency translation was a 2% headwind for both comparisons.

    Underlying Sales Growth (ex-FX and cost pass-through)
    2%YoY
    Q4 FY24

    Underlying sales were flat from the third quarter sequentially.

    Price Increases
    2%over 2023
    Q4 FY24

    Price increases continue to track with globally weighted inflation.

    Volume Growth
    flat
    Q4 FY24

    Contribution from project backlog in Americas and APAC offset lower base volumes in EMEA. Sequential volume decline primarily due to softer EMEA metals and mining volumes and APAC seasonality.

    Operating Profit
    $2.5 billiongrew 9%
    Q4 FY24

    Primarily from management actions around price, cost and productivity.

    Operating Margin
    29.9%
    Q4 FY24

    Resulted from 9% operating profit growth.

    Adjusted EPS
    $3.97grew 11%
    Q4 FY24

    EPS grew 11% or 13% excluding FX.

    Adjusted EPS Growth (ex-FX)
    10%
    FY24

    Full year EPS growth excluding foreign exchange.

    Return on Capital (ROC)
    25.9%
    FY24

    Industry-leading metric.

    EBIT Margin
    29.5%increased 190 bps
    FY24

    Increased 190 basis points.

    Capital Invested
    $5 billion
    FY24

    Invested back into the business.

    Capital Returned to Shareholders
    $7 billion
    FY24

    Returned from significant excess free cash flow.

    Low Carbon and Renewable Energy Consumption Increase
    19%YoY
    FY24

    Increased focus on low-carbon power.

    Low Carbon-based Power Consumption
    over 40%
    FY24

    Of total power consumption.

    CO2 Emissions Avoided by Customers
    more than 2x
    FY24

    Through the use of Linde's products and services, compared to Linde's own emissions.

    EPS Growth from Capital Allocation (Long-term)
    4% to 6%
    Annual

    Contribution from contractual project backlog, share repurchases, small bolt-on acquisitions, and capital structure efficiencies.

    FX Translation Headwind (2025 Guidance)
    4%
    FY25

    Estimated impact on EPS guidance, due to rapid strengthening of the U.S. dollar towards the end of 2024.

    Industrial Production (IP) Growth Assumption (2025 Guidance)
    0%
    FY25

    Assumed at the midpoint of the guidance range, reflecting no economic improvement from the current environment.

    Revenue Resiliency
    65%
    Current

    Approximately 65% of revenues are fairly resilient.

    Small On-site Wins
    59record
    2024

    Record number of long-term agreements for small on-site plants.

    Small On-site Contract Duration
    10 to 15 years
    Current

    Identical to typical large on-site contracts.

    Small On-site Execution Timeline
    9 to 15 months
    Current

    Much shorter than large on-site projects.

    Tuck-in Packaged Gas Acquisitions
    18
    2024

    Important part of synergized growth.

    Clean Energy Investments Target
    $8 billion to $10 billion
    Next few years

    Overall pipeline of clean energy investments.

    Clean Energy Investments Progress
    halfway there
    Current

    Given two large projects already announced in North America.

    US Clean Energy Projects using 45Q
    90%
    Current

    Percentage of projects looking at 45Q as a potential incentive, which predates the IRA.

    Jubail CCS Project Phase 1 Sequestration Capacity
    9 to 11 million tonnes per annum
    Phase 1

    First phase of the CCS project.

    Jubail CCS Project Phase 3 Sequestration Capacity Potential
    53 to 54 million tonnes per annum
    Phase 3

    Potential capacity by the end of the third phase, could be the world's largest CCS project.

    APAC Margin (Historical)
    17%
    5 years ago

    Historical margin level, compared to Americas leading and EMEA at 19% at that time.

    EMEA Margin (Historical)
    19%
    5 years ago

    Historical margin level, compared to Americas leading and APAC at 17% at that time.

    Industry KPIs

    3
    MetricValueDetails
    Volume vs price split2% (price), 1% (price), flat (volume)%
    Helium supply demand pricingstable (pricing), flattish (demand)
    Productivity cost savings program

    Orderbook & backlog

    3
    Total Backlog$10 billionQ4 FY24
    Sale of Gas Backlog$7.1 billionQ4 FY24

    record

    Includes a $2+ billion DOW win in Canada. This backlog definition is unique in the industry, including only incremental growth from contractually committed customers with fixed payment elements and termination provisions.

    Sale of Equipment Backlog$3.1 billion to $3.2 billionQ4 FY24

    Deals & partnerships

    2
    DOWLarge project win for industrial gas supply$2+ billion

    Included in the record sale of gas backlog.

    Saudi Aramco, SLBDevelopment of a large Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) hub

    A 3-way joint venture in Jubail, Saudi Arabia, with each partner contributing their skill set. Feed has been completed, and capital is being assessed. Strengthens Linde's position in the region.

    Capital programs

    1
    Jubail CCS Projectdeveloping
    Funding: 3-way joint venture (Saudi Aramco, SLB, Linde)

    Benefit: Phase 1: 9-11 million tonnes per annum CO2 sequestration; Phase 3 potential: 53-54 million tonnes per annum CO2 sequestration

    A 3-way joint venture with Saudi Aramco and SLB. Feed has been completed, and capital is being assessed. FID is expected in the next few months. There is potential for blue hydrogen projects leveraging this CCS infrastructure.

    Risks & headwinds

    6
    FX Translation HeadwindFY25

    4% estimated impact on FY25 EPS

    Mitigation: Management initiated self-help actions and will continue to identify and execute additional management actions to mitigate macro weakness. Potential incremental pricing opportunities if devaluations lead to local inflation.

    Softer EMEA VolumesQ4 FY24, FY25

    Lower base volumes in Q4 FY24, continued softening expected in 2025

    Mitigation: Focus on management actions around price, cost, and productivity to drive margin expansion.

    Continued Softening in EuropeFY25

    Expected in 2025, primarily Western Europe, impacting metals, manufacturing, chemicals, energy sectors

    Mitigation: Focus on resilient end markets which are expected to continue growing. Management actions to mitigate macro weakness.

    China Industrial Volumes and Metals & Mining WeaknessFY25

    Industrial volumes stable but flat in 2025; Metals and Mining likely negative year-on-year for Q1 and Q2 FY25

    Mitigation: Focus on the growing electronics sector in China. Management actions to mitigate macro weakness. Government stimulus measures are being implemented, though impact is yet to be seen.

    Regulatory Uncertainty for Clean Energy ProjectsOngoing

    Projects pre-FID are taking more time and applying more rigor before decisions

    Mitigation: Focus on projects leveraging the 45Q IRS provision, which is expected to remain intact. Linde is halfway to its $8-10 billion clean energy investment target, with current projects likely to see further phases.

    Difficult Regulatory Framework for Clean Hydrogen in EuropeOngoing

    Making it difficult to get to a decision point for large substantive investments, potentially hindering European aspirations

    Mitigation: Developing projects in other regions like North America and the Middle East. Exploring opportunities with partners like Equinor for low-carbon hydrogen into the European network.

    What to watch in Q1 FY25

    5

    US Industrial Momentum

    H2 FY25
    CurrentFlattish in H1 FY25
    TargetIncreased momentum in H2 FY25

    Why it matters

    Indicates recovery and growth in a key market for Linde's base volumes.

    Our expectation remains that in the first half of the year, they're likely to be flattish. That's what we're hearing from our customers. But towards the back end of the year, the second half, for sure, we are expecting increased momentum across the U.S.

    Q&A highlights

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    How have discussions with potential project partners evolved given political noise, tariffs, and potential green energy funding pullbacks, especially for pre-FID projects?

    Projects pre-FID are taking more time and applying more rigor. 90% of US clean energy projects are looking at the 45Q IRS provision, which predates the IRA and is expected to remain stable. Linde is halfway to its $8-10 billion clean energy investment target, with current projects likely to see further phases.

    The one thing I do want to emphasize, though, and I think in the context of clean hydrogen, this is particularly important, people tend to think about the IRA and there's a lot of talk around what happens with the IRA under the new administration. Within the IRA, there is a specific provision, an IRS provision, in fact, called 45Q, which predates the IRA. It actually goes back to around 2008 when it was implemented. And about 90% of the projects that we are developing in the U.S. are actually looking at 45Q as a potential incentive.

    asked by Michael Leithead · answered by Sanjiv Lamba

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    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Sustainability Achievements and Goals

    Linde demonstrated strong progress in sustainability, increasing active low-carbon and renewable energy consumption by 19% year-over-year, now accounting for over 40% of its total power. The company was included in the Dow Jones Sustainability World Index for the 22nd consecutive year and helps customers avoid more than twice its own CO2 emissions. Linde aims to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 35% by 2035, acknowledging significant work remains to achieve these ambitious goals.

    02

    Capital Allocation and EPS Growth Algorithm

    Linde's long-standing EPS growth algorithm targets 10%+ annual growth, driven by capital allocation (4-6% EPS contribution) and management actions. Capital allocation includes contractual project backlog, share repurchases, bolt-on acquisitions, and capital structure efficiencies. The company's backlog definition is unique, focusing on incremental growth from contractually committed customers with fixed payment elements and termination provisions, ensuring minimum return on capital. Management actions, supported by digital solutions and AI, focus on productivity, price, and cost management, which are deeply embedded in the company's culture.

    03

    Macroeconomic Outlook and Regional Trends

    The 2025 guidance assumes a 4% FX translation headwind and 0% industrial production (IP) growth at the midpoint. While EMEA volumes are a drag and Europe is expected to see continued softening, particularly in Western Europe's industrial sectors, the Americas have been solid. The US is anticipated to have flattish volumes in H1 2025, with increased momentum in H2. China's industrial volumes are expected to remain stable but flat, with Metals and Mining likely negative, though electronics continues to grow. India remains a strong growth story within APAC.

    04

    Small On-site Project Strategy

    Linde achieved a record 59 long-term agreements for 64 small on-site plants in 2024, highlighting a successful strategy for generating annuity income. These projects, primarily using oxygen and nitrogen, have contract terms of 10-15 years, similar to large on-sites, but with significantly shorter execution timelines (9-15 months). Returns for small on-sites are typically above average compared to large projects, making them highly accretive to the portfolio. The company also noted future potential for electrolyzer-based hydrogen in this segment.

    05

    Clean Energy Project Development and Regulatory Environment

    Discussions for pre-FID clean energy projects are taking more time, with partners applying greater rigor due to regulatory uncertainty🌐. Notably, approximately 90% of Linde's US clean energy projects are leveraging the 45Q IRS provision, which predates the IRA and is expected to remain intact. Linde is halfway towards its $8-10 billion clean energy investment target, with current projects likely to expand. The European regulatory framework for clean hydrogen is described as difficult, potentially hindering investment decisions and the region's hydrogen aspirations.

    06

    Healthcare Business Rationalization

    Linde's healthcare segment experienced approximately 0% organic growth in 2024, primarily due to portfolio rationalization efforts within its US home care business (Lincare). Management expects the business to return to its long-term mid-single-digit growth trajectory once these portfolio actions are fully lapped. The focus remains on driving productivity within the home care segment to manage inflationary pressures effectively.

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