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    MCO
    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    MOODYS CORP /DE/ Q1 FY25 earnings call MCO

    Apr 22, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Moody's Q1 FY25 — Record Revenue and EPS Amidst Market Volatility, Revised Full-Year Outlook

    Moody's delivered record first-quarter results, with both its Ratings and Analytics segments achieving 8% revenue growth and strong margin expansion, driven by disciplined expense management and tailwinds from private credit. However, the company adopted a more conservative full-year outlook, revising guidance downwards for revenue, issuance, and ARR, citing increased market volatility, trade policy uncertainty, and specific attrition in its government contracts. Management remains confident in its market position and long-term growth drivers, including AI and digital transformation.

    Highlights

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    • Achieved record Q1 FY25 revenue of $1.9 billion, up 8% year-over-year.

    • Both Moody's Investors Service (MIS) and Moody's Analytics (MA) grew revenue at 8% year-over-year.

    • Adjusted operating margin reached 51.7%, an increase of 100 basis points from Q1 FY24.

    • Adjusted diluted EPS grew 14% to $3.83.

    • MIS achieved its highest-ever quarterly revenue of $1.1 billion with an adjusted operating margin of 66%, up 140 basis points.

    • MA ARR grew 9%, led by Decision Solutions with 12% ARR growth.

    Concerns

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    • Full-year 2025 MCO revenue growth guidance lowered to mid-single-digit range (from high-single-digit).

    • MIS rated issuance projected to decrease in the low to high single-digit range for 2025 (previously mid-single-digit increase).

    • MA ARR growth guidance adjusted to high single-digit percent range (from high-single-digit to low-double-digit).

    • M&A growth assumption revised down to 15% year-on-year (from 50%).

    • Higher-than-expected attrition with the U.S. government impacting MA Data & Information ARR.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Full-year 2025 MCO Revenue Growth
    mid-single-digit range
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MCO Adjusted Operating Margin
    49% to 50%
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MCO Adjusted Diluted EPS
    $13.25 to $14
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MIS Rated Issuance
    decrease in the low to high single-digit range
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MIS Revenue Growth
    flat to a mid-single-digit percent increase
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MIS Adjusted Operating Margin
    61% to 62%
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 MA Revenue Growth
    high single-digit percent range
    high materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 MA ARR Growth
    high single-digit percent range
    high materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 Share Repurchase
    at least $1.3 billion
    medium materiality
    High
    Full-year 2025 Free Cash Flow
    $2.3 billion to $2.5 billion
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 Incentive Compensation
    $400 million and $425 million
    low materiality
    Medium
    Full-year 2025 Announced M&A Growth
    15% growth year-on-year
    high materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Moody's Corporation (MCO)
    Achieved record first quarter revenue and improved adjusted operating margin by 100 basis points.
    $1.9 billion8%51.7%
    Moody's Investors Service (MIS)
    Achieved highest-ever quarterly revenue, driven by Corporate Finance and Structured Finance, with private credit emerging as a significant tailwind.
    Adjusted operating margin: 66% (up 140 basis points)Private credit-related deals: 143 (Q1 FY25) vs 69 (Q1 FY24)Structured Finance Q1 revenue growth from private credit: 20%First-time mandates: almost 200 (Q1 FY25), up 20% YoY
    $1.1 billion8%66%
    Moody's Analytics (MA)
    Strong ARR growth led by Decision Solutions, with continued investments in product development and sales capacity.
    Recurring revenue growth: 9%ARR growth: 9%Recurring revenue as % of total MA revenue: 96%
    $859 million8%
    MA - Decision Solutions
    Consistently the fastest-growing part of Moody's Analytics, with strong demand across KYC, insurance, and banking solutions.
    ARR growth: 12%ARR: nearly $1.5 billionKYC ARR growth: 17%Insurance ARR growth: 11%Banking Solutions ARR growth: 8%CreditLens ARR growth: 12% (LTM)
    MA - Research & Insights
    Improved ARR growth rate driven by lapping of prior year attrition events and strong new business generation.
    ARR growth: 7%
    MA - Data & Information
    Growth rate impacted by an adjustment to ESG strategy and attrition in U.S. government contracts.
    ARR growth: 6% (would have been 10% ex-ESG/US Gov attrition)

    Operational metrics

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    MCO Adjusted Operating Margin Expansion
    100 to 200
    FY25

    Expected expansion for the full year.

    MA Customer Service Assistant Resource Reduction
    20
    Q1 FY25

    Enabled by generative AI, while improving response times.

    Q1 Economic Losses (E.ON report)
    $83 billionabove 21st century average of $61 billion
    Q1 FY25

    Reported by E.ON, highlighting the impact of extreme weather events.

    CreditLens ARR as % of total Banking LOB ARR
    over 1/3
    Q1 FY25

    Demonstrates ability to innovate and enhance scaled solutions.

    Banking New Business Related to Lending Solutions
    almost 20increase
    last year

    Reflects increasing customer engagement to automate and digitize lending workflows.

    High-Yield Spreads Outlook
    will widen
    next 12 months

    Anticipated due to market uncertainty.

    Default Rates Outlook
    wider
    latest forecast

    Latest forecast indicates wider default rates.

    Incentive Compensation Recorded
    $109 million
    Q1 FY25

    Amount recorded in the first quarter.

    Incentive Compensation Forecast per Quarter
    about $100 million
    Q2-Q4 FY25

    Forecasted for each of the remaining quarters of the year.

    Operating Expense Ramp
    $15 million
    Q1 to Q2 FY25

    Expected increase from the first quarter to the second quarter, excluding restructuring and asset abandonment charges.

    Capital Return as % of Free Cash Flow
    approximately 80
    FY25

    Expected for the full year 2025.

    M&A Sensitivity to Rating Revenue
    $35 million
    per 10% M&A change

    Estimated impact on rating revenue for every 10% change in M&A volume.

    MA Recurring Revenue as % of Total MA Revenue
    96
    Q1 FY25

    Increased another notch in the first quarter.

    Product announcements

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    ProductTypeDetails
    Agent Reviewlaunch
    GenAI navigatorslaunch
    Internally built agentic toollaunch
    Numerated-enable AI's front-end capabilitiesupdate

    Deals & partnerships

    2
    MSCIProviding independent risk assessments for private credit investments at scale.

    Partnership announced yesterday (April 21, 2025) to address the need for transparency and standards in the private credit market.

    CAPE AnalyticsAcquisition of a leading provider of geospatial AI, data, and location intelligence for property underwriting.

    Acquisition closed in January. CAPE Analytics is being integrated into Moody's catastrophe models.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Market Volatility and Uncertaintynear-term

    Equity markets demonstrating much greater volatility; headline-driven environment.

    Mitigation: Moody's value proposition is especially relevant in times of change and uncertainty, providing proprietary data and insights.

    Tariffs and Trade Tensionsnear-term

    Uncertainty of impending trade tensions impacting businesses.

    Mitigation: Leads to customers delaying financing and investment; Moody's services not directly impacted by tariffs announced to date, but uncertainty affects client behavior.

    Global GDP RevisionsFY25

    Global forecast for GDP are being revised downwards.

    Mitigation: Incorporated into revised guidance assumptions.

    Central Bank Rate Path UncertaintyFY25

    Magnitude and timing of central bank rate cuts remained very much in flux.

    Mitigation: Considered in the wider range of scenarios for guidance.

    High-Yield Spreads Wideningnext 12 months

    Currently anticipate high-yield spreads will widen over the next 12 months.

    Mitigation: Reflected in updated issuance outlook.

    Default Rates Wideninglatest forecast

    Latest forecast for default rates is also wider.

    Mitigation: Reflected in updated issuance outlook.

    Dampened M&A ExpectationsFY25

    Earlier expectations for 50% M&A growth dampened to 15% growth year-on-year.

    Mitigation: Revised guidance to account for trade policy uncertainty.

    US Government Attrition in MAQ1 FY25 and balance of year

    Higher-than-expected attrition with the U.S. government impacting Data & Information ARR.

    Mitigation: Reflected in adjusted MA ARR guidance; company continues to build solid pipeline of new business.

    Asset Quality in Private Credit

    Increasing issues around asset quality across the private credit portfolios.

    Mitigation: These are highly leveraged loans; Moody's is providing independent risk assessments through MSCI partnership to address transparency.

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    MIS Rated Issuance

    next quarter
    CurrentProjected decrease in low to high single-digit range for FY25
    TargetConfirmation of guidance range, especially after muted April

    Why it matters

    MIS issuance is a primary driver of Moody's revenue, and current market uncertainty🌐 could impact the trajectory.

    Our range accounts for various levels of activity in May and June after a somewhat muted April and for variability in how quickly uncertainty resolves in the back half of the year.

    Q&A highlights

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    Were acquisitions like CAPE Analytics factored into prior guidance, and what is their expected contribution this year?

    CAPE Analytics was already included in previous MA revenue guidance, and there is no change to M&A assumptions regarding MA revenue.

    There's no change in our M&A assumptions with respect to our MA revenue guidance. That was already included before, and it continues to be the case now.

    asked by Alexander EM Hess · answered by Noemie Heuland

    3 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Private Credit Tailwinds and Strategic Partnerships

    Private credit emerged as a significant tailwind for Moody's Investors Service (MIS), particularly in Structured Finance, contributing 20% of Q1 FY25 revenue growth in that segment. The company observed 143 private credit-related deals in Q1 FY25, up from 69 in Q1 FY24, with roughly one-third of this volume from private credit-backed ABS, CLOs, and RMBS. Moody's also announced a groundbreaking partnership with MSCI to provide independent risk assessments for private credit investments at scale, leveraging Moody's credit scoring models with MSCI's private credit data to enhance transparency and standards in the market.

    02

    Advancements in AI Strategy and Internal Efficiency

    Moody's is actively harnessing generative AI to drive growth and efficiency. Key commercial offerings include Research Assistant, an automated credit memo, an early warning system, and the KYC AI agent, which secured its first sale with a major crypto trading platform. Internally, GenAI navigators are embedded across product lines for customer support, and AI tools are being rolled out in engineering and sales. A customer service assistant has enabled a 20% reduction in resources for the support team, while a new agentic tool acts as a sales companion for relationship managers, aiming for significant productivity gains.

    03

    Moody's Analytics Strategic Growth Areas

    Moody's Analytics (MA) saw strong performance in its Decision Solutions segment, with ARR growing 12% to nearly $1.5 billion. KYC led this growth with 17% ARR increase, driven by deals with global banks, corporate customers, and European government entities. Insurance ARR grew 11% due to climate and specialty risk solutions, including a cyber risk model deal with a large P&C insurer. Banking solutions ARR grew 8%, with a nearly 20% increase in new business related to lending solutions over the last year, supported by the integration of Numerated-enable AI's front-end capabilities into CreditLens.

    04

    Cost Efficiency Program and Margin Expansion

    The company is executing on an ambitious cost efficiency program announced in Q4 FY24, designed to significantly enhance MA's operating leverage. This program provides capacity to continue investing in strategic growth areas while delivering on commitments to scale margins. The full-year adjusted operating margin for MCO is expected to expand by 100 to 200 basis points to a range of 49% to 50%, with MA's margin expected to ramp sequentially into the mid-30s range by the fourth quarter.

    05

    Market Uncertainty and Guidance Revision Rationale

    The revised full-year guidance reflects a more conservative approach due to increased market volatility🌐 and uncertainty. Factors cited include equity market fluctuations, headline-driven environment, potential impacts of tariffs on investment decisions, and uncertainty surrounding central bank rate cuts. Global GDP forecasts are being revised downwards, and high-yield spreads are anticipated to widen. The M&A growth assumption was significantly reduced from 50% to 15% year-on-year, contributing to the updated outlook for MIS rated issuance.

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    Deep Currents Driving Long-Term Demand

    Despite short-term turbulence, Moody's remains confident in five 'deep currents' underpinning demand for its solutions: the evolution of capital markets (including private credit), digital transformation in financial services, the imperative for enhanced KYC and counterparty understanding, the financial impact of extreme weather events, and the transformative power of generative AI combined with proprietary data. These long-term trends are expected to drive debt financing volumes and demand for Moody's insights and tools.

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