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    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    NORFOLK SOUTHERN Q1 FY25 earnings call NSC

    Apr 23, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Norfolk Southern Q1 FY25 — Resilient Operations Drive Productivity Amidst Weather and Macro Uncertainty

    Norfolk Southern demonstrated operational resilience in Q1 FY25, navigating severe winter weather and absorbing $35 million in storm costs while still delivering 8% adjusted EPS growth and 200 basis points of OR improvement. The company reiterated its full-year guidance for 3% revenue growth and 150 basis points of OR improvement, backed by strong productivity momentum and commercial agility. Management acknowledged macroeconomic uncertainties and potential tariff impacts but expressed confidence in their ability to control costs and gain market share through improved service.

    Highlights

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    • Adjusted EPS grew 8% year-over-year.

    • Operating ratio improved by 200 basis points year-over-year to 67.9% despite storm costs.

    • Achieved $55 million in labor productivity savings during the quarter.

    • FRA injury ratio decreased 13% year-over-year and train accident frequency reduced by 43% year-over-year.

    • Total volume rose 1% year-over-year despite significant winter weather.

    Concerns

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    • Incurred $35 million in extraordinary storm restoration costs, adversely affecting operating ratio by 120 basis points.

    • Fuel surcharge headwinds masked solid revenue performance, with total revenue flat year-over-year.

    • Sharply lower export coal pricing drove RPU less fuel down 3% in the Coal segment.

    • Intermodal service composite was significantly impacted by storms in the first half of the quarter.

    • Uncertainty regarding potential tariff impacts on end markets and revenues, and broader macroeconomic slowdown risks.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Productivity and cost reduction savings
    at least $150 million
    high materiality
    High
    Revenue growth
    3%
    high materiality
    Medium
    Operating Ratio improvement
    150 basis points
    high materiality
    Medium
    Operating Ratio
    under 64%
    high materiality
    Medium
    Operating Ratio (Q2 FY25)
    better than normal seasonality off of 67.9%
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Land sales
    $30 million to $40 million
    low materiality
    Medium
    Headcount
    flat
    medium materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Merchandise
    Gains in chemicals and ag businesses were offset by weakness in metals and construction. Achieved another consecutive quarterly record in RPU less fuel.
    Volume: fell from a year agoRPU less fuel: up 4% year-over-year
    		————
    Intermodal
    Volume gains in both domestic and international, while premium faced market pressure. RPU less fuel was up for the second consecutive quarter due to stabilization in truck pricing. Service stabilized exiting February after storm impacts.
    Volume: up 3% year-over-yearRPU less fuel: up slightly
    		—3%——
    Coal
    Lower export coal prices drove RPU less fuel lower. Volume gains in utility business were supported by strong electricity demand and higher natural gas prices. Commercial and operations collaborated to catch up Lamberts Point's quarterly export coal volume.
    RPU less fuel: down 3%Volume: gains in utility business
    		————

    Operational metrics

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    Storm restoration costs
    $35 million
    Q1 FY25

    Extraordinary expense incurred to respond to storms, adversely affecting operating ratio.

    Operating ratio impact from storm costs
    120 basis points
    Q1 FY25

    Adverse effect on operating ratio due to storm restoration costs.

    Labor productivity savings
    $55 million
    Q1 FY25

    Savings generated from labor productivity initiatives.

    Insurance recoveries
    nearing $1 billion
    to date

    Total insurance recoveries related to the Eastern Ohio incident.

    Remaining insurance coverage
    less than $100 million
    current

    Remaining coverage for the Eastern Ohio incident.

    Operating expenses decline
    $68 millionYoY
    Q1 FY25

    Year-over-year decline in operating expenses on higher volumes.

    Operating expenses growth
    -3%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Year-over-year growth in operating expenses on higher volumes.

    Productivity and cost reduction savings (3-year target)
    $550 million
    3-year time horizon

    Commitment for total productivity and cost reductions over a three-year period.

    Productivity and cost reduction savings (achieved last year)
    $290 million
    FY24

    Productivity and cost reduction savings achieved in the prior fiscal year.

    Purchase services and rents decline
    $30 million
    Q1 FY25

    Decline in purchase services and rents despite 3% higher intermodal volumes.

    Share repurchases
    $250 million
    Q1 FY25

    Amount of shares bought back in the quarter, marking the resumption of share repurchases.

    Crew starts reduction
    over 100
    Q1 FY25

    Net reduction in weekly crew starts as part of the zero-based operating plan.

    HPT (Horsepower per Ton)
    13%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Improvement in HPT, contributing to a fuel efficiency record.

    Fuel efficiency record
    fourth consecutive quarter
    Q1 FY25

    Achieved a fuel efficiency record for the fourth quarter in a row.

    Customer last mile capabilities accelerated
    over 600
    Q1 FY25

    Improved final mile dwell for customers as part of PSR 2.0.

    Taxi usage reduction
    $15 million
    Q1 FY25

    Reduction in taxi usage, indicating improved operational efficiency and speed.

    Administrative staff reduction
    9%
    last year

    Reduction in administrative staff at headquarters as part of cost-cutting efforts.

    Stored serviceable locomotives
    40
    current

    Locomotives held in reserve, ready for surge in demand or challenges.

    Domestic business share
    75%
    current

    Percentage of total business that is U.S. domestic.

    European business share
    high single digits
    current

    Percentage of total business from Europe.

    Mexico, Canada, China business share
    low single digits each
    current

    Percentage of total business from Mexico, Canada, and China, individually.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Safety13%%
    Volume1%%
    Operating ratio67.9%%
    Service metrics—
    Network fluidity—
    Revenue per load ex fuel4%%
    Pricing vs rail inflation4%%
    Fuel surcharge diesel price—
    Intermodal truckload volume3%%
    Labor productivity headcount$55 millionUSD
    Tariff trade policy revenue impact—

    Risks & headwinds

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    Extraordinary storm restoration costsQ1 FY25

    $35 million in Q1 FY25, adversely affected OR by 120 basis points

    Mitigation: Strong preparation and response by operating team, quick network restoration.

    Fuel surcharge headwindsQ1 FY25

    Masked an otherwise solid revenue performance, 50 basis points headwind from fuel price

    Mitigation: Focus on productivity initiatives and cost control.

    Sharply lower export coal pricingQ1 FY25, expected to be a drag for a few more quarters

    RPU less fuel down 3% in Coal segment

    Mitigation: Volume gains in utility business, commercial and operations collaboration to optimize coal volume.

    Intermodal service disruption due to stormsQ1 FY25

    Intermodal composite most impacted by storms in the first half of Q1

    Mitigation: Service stabilized exiting February, at target in recent weeks due to teamwork and planning.

    Potential tariff impacts on end markets and revenuesRemainder of FY25 and beyond

    Uncertain, could be a headwind to auto volumes, soften import demand

    Mitigation: Staying close to customers, monitoring trade policies, commercial agility to capitalize on opportunities, diversified portfolio as a hedge.

    Broader economic slowdown/recessionUncertain, potential in back half of FY25

    Risk of lower GDP, not immune to pressures

    Mitigation: Scenario planning, focus on cost takeout, maintaining agility to pivot quickly, leveraging service excellence for share gains.

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    Operating Ratio trajectory

    Q2 FY25
    Current67.9% (Q1 FY25 adjusted)
    Targetbetter than normal seasonality off 67.9%, aiming for under 64% for remainder of year

    Why it matters

    This will indicate progress towards the full-year OR improvement target and the effectiveness of cost control measures.

    I'd expect the second quarter to be better than normal seasonality off of the 67.9% here that we just posted in the first quarter. But beyond that, I really don't want to get into too much more specificity on a quarterly basis given this environment of uncertainty we're in.

    Q&A highlights

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    Given the Q1 OR of 67.9% (which would have been 66.7% without storm costs) and typical seasonal improvement, should Q2 OR be around 64% to meet full-year targets?

    Jason Zampi confirmed that the remainder of the year needs an OR under 64% to hit targets, and Q2 is expected to be better than normal seasonality off the 67.9% Q1 OR, but declined to give more specific quarterly guidance due to uncertainty.

    “I think the math would tell you the remainder of the year needs to be under a 64% operating ratio to hit our targets. I'd expect the second quarter to be better than normal seasonality off of the 67.9% here that we just posted in the first quarter.”

    asked by Ken Hoexter · answered by Jason Zampi

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Operational Resilience and Weather Impact

    Norfolk Southern faced significant weather challenges🌐 in Q1 FY25, including 18 storms and a flash flood on the Heartland Corridor that impacted a 100-mile stretch of main line. Despite these disruptions, the company incurred $35 million in extraordinary storm restoration costs but quickly restored network fluidity. This demonstrated strong preparation and response capabilities, with a critical repair completed in just 52 hours.

    02

    Safety Performance Improvements

    The company reported significant improvements in safety metrics, with the FRA injury ratio down 13% year-over-year and 15% sequentially, marking the lowest quarterly ratio in over a decade. Train accident frequency also reduced by 43% year-over-year. These results are attributed to a pursuit of safety excellence and a speak-up culture, showing tangible progress in operational safety.

    03

    PSR 2.0 Transformation and Productivity

    Norfolk Southern's PSR 2.0 transformation is unlocking network value and delivering financial commitments. Phase 1 of the zero-based operating plan simplified train plans, tightened connection standards, and reduced over 100 weekly crew starts, leading to improved train and T&E productivity. Enterprise Resources streamlined materials management, reducing material handling and controlling expenses, contributing to a 13% improvement in HPT and a fuel efficiency record for the fourth consecutive quarter.

    04

    Commercial Agility and Market Share Gains

    The company demonstrated commercial agility by staying close to customers amidst weather impact🌐s, East Coast port rebalancing, and volume fluctuations due to tariff anticipation. Improved service quality is driving meaningful market share gains, particularly in merchandise markets like chemicals. Management noted that customers are increasingly trusting their service product, leading to opportunities for both volume expansion and pricing power.

    05

    Financial Performance and Cost Management

    Adjusted operating ratio improved by 200 basis points year-over-year to 67.9%, despite the 120 basis points impact from storm costs. Operating expenses were down 3% on higher volumes, driven by strong labor productivity ($55 million savings) and fuel efficiency. The company resumed share repurchases, buying back nearly $250 million of shares in the quarter, reflecting confidence in ongoing balance sheet repair and productivity initiatives.

    06

    Market Outlook and Macroeconomic Uncertainty

    The economic environment is dynamic, with expected strength in autos and building manufacturing activity, but potential headwinds from announced tariffs. Intermodal markets anticipate continued normalization of East Coast share, while coal prices remain pressured by tempered production and export trade uncertainty. Industrial development activity is increasing, but decision timelines are extending as customers evaluate the macroeconomic environment, leading to a cautious but confident outlook.

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