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    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    PRUDENTIAL FINANCIAL Q1 FY25 earnings call PRU

    May 1, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Prudential Q1 FY25 — Strong Sales and AUM Growth Amidst Near-Term Headwinds

    Prudential reported strong Q1 FY25 sales across its global retirement and insurance businesses, alongside robust AUM growth and investment performance at PGIM. However, the company faces near-term earnings headwinds from the runoff of legacy U.S. products and elevated surrenders in Japan, which are expected to create a 3-4 point drag on 2025 EPS growth. The new CEO emphasized a commitment to evolving strategy, improving execution, and fostering a high-performance culture to drive sustainable, profitable growth and achieve intermediate-term EPS targets.

    Highlights

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    • Pretax adjusted operating income increased 8% year-over-year to $1.5 billion or $3.29 per share.

    • PGIM's assets under management grew 3% to $1.4 trillion, driven by market appreciation and $4.3 billion in net flows.

    • International Businesses sales were up 15% year-over-year, with Emerging Markets sales increasing 19% and Japan retirement/savings product sales up over 20%.

    • Retirement Strategies generated over $10 billion in sales, including $7 billion in Institutional Retirement and a record $600 million in structured settlements.

    • Individual Life sales rose 26% year-over-year to over $200 million, driven by accumulation-focused variable products.

    Concerns

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    • Alternative investment income was below expectations by $90 million due to lower private equity and real estate returns.

    • Near-term earnings growth in U.S. businesses is expected to be lower due to the runoff of traditional variable annuities and guaranteed universal life products, contributing to an estimated 3-4 point drag to 2025 EPS growth.

    • Japan business faces near-term earnings pressure from elevated surrenders of U.S. dollar-denominated products due to a weaker yen, with an estimated $100 million impact to 2025 earnings from 2024 surrenders.

    • PGIM's Q1 margins were impacted by volatility affecting seed and co-investments, falling below expectations.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Core adjusted operating EPS growth
    5% to 8% on average
    high materiality
    High
    PGIM adjusted margin target
    25% to 30%
    medium materiality
    High
    Japan ESR preliminary views disclosure
    To be provided this summer
    medium materiality
    High
    Group Insurance benefit ratio target
    83% to 87%
    low materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    PGIM
    Lower other related revenues (seed and co-investment income, incentive fees) were partially offset by higher asset management fees. Q1 margins were impacted by volatility.
    Assets Under Management: $1.4 trillionAUM Growth YoY: 3%Net Flows: $4.3 billionInstitutional Third-Party Flows: $4.6 billionRetail Third-Party Flows: modest outflowsPrivate Alternatives AUM: nearly $250 billionPrivate Capital Deployment: over $10 billionPrivate Capital Deployment Growth YoY: over 60%5-Year Investment Performance Outperforming Benchmarks: 81%10-Year Investment Performance Outperforming Benchmarks: 79%
    Retirement Strategies - Institutional
    Strong sales momentum, including significant international longevity reinsurance and record structured settlements sales. Core earnings were down due to internal expense allocation shift, lower spread income on cash balances, and accounting reclassification.
    Sales: $7 billionInternational Longevity Reinsurance Transactions: $5 billionStructured Settlements Sales: $600 million
    Retirement Strategies - Individual
    Sales were up 5% from the prior year quarter, driven by registered index-linked annuities and sustained momentum in fixed annuity product sales. Continued reduction of market sensitivity through legacy variable annuity runoff.
    Sales: $3.5 billion
    5%
    Group Insurance
    Sales were up 6% from the prior year quarter, driven primarily by strength in Group Life products. The benefit ratio reflects favorable underwriting results and strategic actions to improve profitability. Strong performance in the <5,000 lives market.
    Sales: $400 millionBenefit Ratio: 81.3%Sales Growth in <5,000 Lives Market: over 50% YoY
    6%
    Individual Life
    Sales were up 26% from the prior year quarter, driven largely by accumulation-focused variable products, reflecting a pivot to be more capital efficient. Core earnings power saw slight growth.
    Sales: over $200 million
    26%
    International Businesses
    Sales were up 15% compared to the prior year quarter. Experienced lower spread income, including lower alternative investment returns, lower joint venture earnings (Chile), and net unfavorable foreign currency exchange rates.
    15%
    International Businesses - Japan
    Sales benefiting from recent retirement and savings product launches. Near-term earnings pressure from elevated surrenders of U.S. dollar-denominated products due to a weaker yen, though signs of stabilization are emerging. 70% of USD liabilities reinsured outside Japan by end of 2024.
    Retirement and Savings Product Sales Growth YoY: over 20%Yen-based Sales: 30% of Q1 sales
    International Businesses - Emerging Markets
    Sales increased 19% versus the prior year quarter, driven by record sales in Brazil due to strong performance of Life Planners and Group Life sales.
    19%

    Operational metrics

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    Pretax adjusted operating income
    $1.5 billionup 8% YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Reflects favorable underwriting results and lower expenses, partially offset by lower alternative investment income.

    Adjusted operating income per share
    $3.29
    Q1 FY25

    Part of the overall pretax adjusted operating income.

    Alternative investment income variance
    $90 millionbelow expectations
    Q1 FY25

    Driven by lower private equity and real estate returns.

    U.S. Businesses exposure reduction
    nearly 60%
    Over last several years

    Achieved through divestitures and blocks placed into runoff.

    Estimated EPS drag from headwinds
    3 to 4 points
    2025

    Attributed to lower earnings growth in U.S. runoff businesses and near-term pressure in Japan.

    Estimated annual earnings impact from Japan surrenders
    $100 million
    2025

    Impact to 2025 earnings from surrenders experienced in 2024.

    Estimated annual earnings impact from VA runoff
    $100 million to $150 million
    Annual

    Cumulative earnings impact from the runoff of variable annuities.

    Cash and liquid assets
    $4.9 billionabove minimum liquidity target
    Q1 FY25

    Supports AA financial strength.

    Equity market decline sensitivity (AOI impact)
    $0.30reduction
    Annual

    Reflects earnings sensitivities reduced by approximately 20% post-VA derisking.

    Interest rate decline sensitivity (AOI impact)
    $0.20decline
    Annual

    Reflects earnings sensitivities reduced by approximately 20% post-VA derisking.

    Internal expense allocation shift
    $50 million
    Annual

    Shifted to Institutional Retirement, nets to zero across the company but impacts the business segment.

    Core EPS base for 5-8% growth
    $13.67
    FY24

    Adjusted for seasonality and reflecting all changes.

    Cash flows to PFI
    $600 million
    Q1 FY25

    Strong cash flows from businesses this quarter.

    Pension plan assets untransacted
    $3 trillion
    Current

    Represents a long-term growth area for PRT business.

    Pension plan funded status
    105%
    Current

    Indicates a higher desire for plan sponsors to transact.

    Annuity market sales
    $100 billion
    Q1 FY25

    Represents the third record quarter for the overall annuity market.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Capital returnsStrong cash flows of $600 million to PFIUSD
    Net investment incomeBelow expectations by $90 millionUSD
    Life specific when presentUp over 20%%
    Statutory regulatory capitalAbove levels that would support AA financial strength ratings

    Product announcements

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    ProductTypeDetails
    Retirement and savings productslaunch

    Deals & partnerships

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    Multiple (unnamed)International longevity reinsurance transactionsnearly $5 billion

    Two international longevity reinsurance transactions were completed, totaling nearly $5 billion, contributing to strong Institutional Retirement sales.

    Deerpath CapitalAcquisition to complement direct lending business

    Prudential acquired Deerpath Capital to complement its organically built and successful direct lending business, aiming to maintain market leadership.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Alternative Investment Income VolatilityNear-term

    $90 million below expectations in Q1 FY25

    Mitigation: Management is comfortable with the long-term target returns of the alternatives portfolio, which has exceeded expectations over the past decade.

    U.S. Business Earnings Drag from RunoffNear-term

    Estimated 3-4 point drag to EPS growth in 2025; cumulative annual earnings impact of $100 million to $150 million from VA runoff.

    Mitigation: The company has significantly reduced exposure to traditional variable annuities and guaranteed universal life products by nearly 60% and continuously optimizes its balance sheet and capital.

    Japan Surrender Pressure from Weaker YenNear-term

    Estimated $100 million impact to 2025 earnings from 2024 surrenders.

    Mitigation: Management is seeing signs of stabilization, has diversified product offerings (20% of Q1 sales from new products, 30% yen-based), and increased staff to work with customers on alternatives to surrenders.

    Market Volatility Impact on PGIM FlowsNear-term

    Retail clients went risk-off in March and April; potential impact on institutional flows if volatility continues.

    Mitigation: PGIM has diversified capabilities and strong investment performance, but management is more cautious on flows in the current volatile environment.

    PRT Market Normalization2025

    2025 market size expected to normalize from robust 2024.

    Mitigation: Volatility impacts decision-makers, leading to a slowdown in transactions. However, long-term growth is expected due to $3 trillion in untransacted pension plan assets and high funded status (105%).

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    Japan USD product surrender pace

    Next quarter
    CurrentElevated, but stabilizing
    TargetContinued stabilization/decline

    Why it matters

    The pace of surrenders directly impacts Japan business earnings, which is a significant near-term headwind📎.

    Second, we face near-term earnings pressure in our Japan business, driven by elevated surrenders of U.S. dollar-denominated products due to a weaker yen, although we're seeing signs that this is beginning to stabilize.

    Q&A highlights

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    How might capital deployment plans evolve, specifically regarding organic growth versus M&A or divestitures, given the changing landscape?

    CEO Andy Sullivan stated that the company continuously evaluates organic and inorganic opportunities to optimize its balance sheet, capital, and cash flows. While current plans reflect existing opportunities, capital uses could evolve as markets and businesses change. He emphasized this is a continuous discipline.

    My job as the CEO is to ensure that we deploy capital to the highest and the best uses across the entire enterprise. So we continuously evaluate the various opportunities in front of us, and that obviously includes all various uses, organic, inorganic and their return profile.

    asked by Ryan Krueger · answered by Andrew Sullivan

    3 min read7 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Strategic Priorities under New CEO

    New CEO Andrew Sullivan outlined three core priorities: evolving and delivering on the company's strategy, executing with consistency, and fostering a high-performance culture. This involves prioritizing capital allocation to profitable growth areas, improving capital deployment returns, and enhancing the expense profile. The goal is to drive sustainable, profitable growth and deliver stronger results, with incentives now more closely aligned to EPS growth.

    02

    Balance Sheet Optimization and Derisking Efforts

    Prudential has made tangible progress in derisking, reducing exposure to traditional variable annuities and guaranteed universal life products by nearly 60% through divestitures and runoff blocks. Management views derisking as a continuous discipline, constantly evaluating opportunities to optimize the balance sheet, capital, and cash flows. The company maintains a strong balance sheet with nearly $5 billion in highly liquid assets and robust statutory solvency ratios.

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    PGIM Performance and Market Outlook

    PGIM's assets under management increased 3% to $1.4 trillion, driven by market appreciation and $4.3 billion in net flows, including $4.6 billion in institutional third-party flows. Investment performance remained strong, with 81% and 79% of AUM outperforming benchmarks over 5- and 10-year periods, respectively. However, Q1 margins were impacted by volatility in seed and co-investments, and management noted that heightened market uncertainty🌐 in March and April could lead to retail and potentially institutional client risk-off behavior.

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    Japan Business Headwinds and Mitigation Strategies

    The Japan business faces near-term earnings pressure due to elevated surrenders of U.S. dollar-denominated products, driven by a weaker yen, with an estimated $100 million impact to 2025 earnings from 2024 surrenders. Management is seeing signs of stabilization in surrender pace and has proactively diversified its product portfolio, with 20% of Q1 sales from products launched in the last 24 months and 30% of Q1 sales being yen-based offerings. Staffing has also been increased to assist customers.

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    Institutional Retirement Earnings Dynamics

    Despite strong PRT sales in 2024, Institutional Retirement's core earnings in Q1 FY25 were down compared to Q1 FY24. This was attributed to a $50 million annual internal expense allocation shift, lower spread income on cash balances due to short-term rate reductions, and a reclassification of certain derivatives out of operating income. The benefit from strong sales is emerging in spread earnings but is currently masked by these offsetting factors.

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    Individual Life Strategic Rationale

    Prudential views its Individual Life business as core to its purpose, differentiating between the legacy guaranteed universal life (GUL) in runoff and the go-forward product set. The current product portfolio is less interest rate-sensitive and more capital-efficient, contributing to the company's mortality/longevity balance. Management highlighted strong underwriting capabilities, brand trust, and a 'flight to quality' as reasons for confidence in the business, which saw 26% sales growth in Q1.

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    Capital Management and Japan ESR

    Prudential's capital position is strong, with $4.9 billion in cash and liquid assets, exceeding its $3 billion minimum target. For the upcoming ESR implementation in Japan, management expects capital levels to remain above those supporting AA financial strength ratings, with no anticipated change to dividend capacity. The company has used reinsurance, including its wholly-owned entity Prismic, to manage capital and liquidity, with 70% of U.S. dollar liabilities in Japan reinsured outside the country by the end of 2024.

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