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    Earnings call· Mar 2025(Q1 FY25)

    SIMON PROPERTY GROUP Q1 FY25 earnings call SPG

    May 12, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Simon Property Group Q1 FY25 — Strong Start Amid Macro Uncertainty

    Simon Property Group reported a strong Q1 FY25, exceeding internal plans with solid FFO growth and increased occupancy. The company reaffirmed its full-year FFO guidance, anticipating results to trend towards the midpoint due to ongoing macroeconomic and tariff uncertainties impacting retailer sales and inventory decisions. Despite these headwinds, leasing demand remains robust, and the company maintains a cautious yet opportunistic stance on capital allocation and development.

    Highlights

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    • Real Estate FFO increased to $2.95 per share in Q1 FY25, up from $2.91 in the prior year.

    • Domestic and international operations contributed $0.14 of FFO growth, driven by a 5% increase in lease income.

    • Malls and premium outlet occupancy reached 95.9%, a 40 basis point increase year-over-year.

    • Domestic NOI grew 3.4% year-over-year, and portfolio NOI (constant currency) grew 3.6%.

    • Announced a Q2 dividend of $2.10 per share, a 5% year-over-year increase.

    Concerns

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    • Interest income, land sales, and lease settlements were $0.10 lower year-over-year.

    • Q1 FY25 FFO included a $0.17 per share noncash loss from mark-to-market adjustments on Klépierre exchangeable bond.

    • Q1 FY25 FFO included an after-tax loss of $0.05 per share related to Catalyst Brands' restructuring costs.

    • Reaffirmed full-year FFO guidance range, expecting results to trend towards the midpoint due to macroeconomic and tariff uncertainty.

    • Retailer sales per square foot for malls and premium outlets were relatively flat at $7.33 for the quarter.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Real Estate FFO per share
    $12.40 to $12.65
    high materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Domestic Operations
    Domestic NOI increased 3.4% year-over-year for the quarter.
    		—3.4%——
    Portfolio (Domestic & International)
    Portfolio NOI, which includes international properties at constant currency, grew 3.6% for the quarter.
    		—3.6%——

    Operational metrics

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    Real Estate FFO per share
    $2.95vs $2.91 prior year
    Q1 FY25

    Compared to $2.91 from the prior year.

    FFO per share
    $2.67vs $3.56 prior year
    Q1 FY25

    First quarter funds from operations were $1.0 billion or $2.67 per share compared to $1.33 billion or $3.56 per share last year. Prior year results included $0.81 per share in after-tax net gains, primarily from the sale of ABG. Q1 FY25 results included a $0.17 per share loss from noncash unrealized mark-to-market and fair value adjustments on Klépierre exchangeable bond, offset by a $0.07 gain on sale of securities, and an after-tax loss of $0.05 per share related to Catalyst Brands' restructuring costs.

    FFO
    $1.0 billionvs $1.33 billion prior year
    Q1 FY25

    First quarter funds from operations were $1.0 billion compared to $1.33 billion last year.

    Dividend per share
    $2.10up $0.10 or 5% YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Announced for the second quarter, payable on June 30.

    Interest income, land sales, lease settlements impact on FFO
    $0.10lower year-over-year
    Q1 FY25

    As anticipated, interest income, land sales and lease settlements were $0.10 lower year-over-year.

    Klépierre exchangeable bond mark-to-market loss
    $0.17
    Q1 FY25

    First quarter results include a $0.17 per share loss primarily from the noncash unrealized mark-to-market and fair value adjustments on the Klépierre exchangeable bond. Due to 11% outperformance of Klépierre's stock price.

    Gain on sale of securities
    $0.07
    Q1 FY25

    Offsetting the Klépierre loss, Q1 FY25 results include a $0.07 gain on the sale of securities.

    Catalyst Brands restructuring costs
    $0.05
    Q1 FY25

    The first quarter also includes an after-tax loss of $0.05 per share related to Catalyst Brands' restructuring costs.

    Net debt to EBITDA
    5.2x
    Q1 FY25

    At the end of the quarter, we had net debt to EBITDA of 5.2x.

    Fixed charge coverage ratio
    4.6x
    Q1 FY25

    Our fixed charge coverage ratio was incredibly strong at 4.6x.

    Secured loan transactions
    $2.6 billion
    Q1 FY25

    Completed 12 secured loan transactions totaling approximately USD 2.6 billion in Q1. The weighted average interest rate on these loans was 5.73%.

    Unsecured debt maturities
    $1.6 billion
    FY25

    Approximately $1.6 billion of maturities here, we will refinance that back in the unsecured market throughout the balance of the year.

    Interest cost headwind
    $0.06
    Q1 FY25

    Interest income starting to come down, it's about $0.06 in the quarter. We would expect that to carry forward through the balance of the year.

    Leases signed
    1,300
    Q1 FY25

    Signed 1,300 leases for more than 5.1 million square feet in the quarter. Approximately 25% of leasing activity for the quarter were new deals and approximately 80% of the leases expiring through 2025 are complete ahead of last year at this point in time.

    Average base minimum rents growth
    2.4%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Average base minimum rents for the malls and outlets increased 2.4% year-over-year.

    Average base minimum rents growth
    3.9%YoY
    Q1 FY25

    Average base minimum rents for the mills increased 3.9%.

    Ownership in RGG/ShopSimon
    45%
    Q1 FY25

    Our e-commerce business, RGG, ShopSimon, which we own roughly 45%.

    Ownership in Catalyst Group
    39%
    Q1 FY25

    Our interest in Catalyst Group, which is Penny and the other operating brands, Brooks Brothers, Lucky, et cetera, which we now own remind me 39%.

    Ownership in Jamestown
    50%
    Q1 FY25

    Our 50% interest in Jamestown.

    Assets up
    1.5%
    Q1 FY25

    100 assets are up about 1.5%.

    Development project mixed-use component
    40%
    Q1 FY25

    Approximately 40% of net costs are for mixed-use projects. Effectively, the 60% that isn't mixed use, quite honestly, Michael. So 60% is retail and the other 40% would be mixed use with all the other components.

    Orderbook & backlog

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    Development projects underway (company share)$944 millionQ1 FY25

    Blended yield of 9%.

    SNO pipeline300 basis pointsQ1 FY25

    up from 250 basis points at Q4 FY24

    Represents about $150 million worth of rent at average rents. 30-40% expected to hit in H2 FY25, with bulk in FY26 and some spillover into FY27. Includes leased Forever 21 spaces.

    Deals & partnerships

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    The Mall Luxury OutletsAcquisition of luxury outlet properties

    Completed the acquisition of The Mall Luxury Outlets in Florence and Sanremo, Italy.

    Jakarta, IndonesiaOpening of first outlet

    Opened our first outlet in Jakarta, Indonesia.

    Capital programs

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    Development projects underwayunderway
    Period spend: $944 million

    Benefit: Blended yield of 9%

    At the end of the quarter, development projects were underway across all platforms, with our share of the net cost of $944 million to a blended yield of 9%.

    New development startsplanned$500 million
    Start: FY25

    Starts for this year will be approximately $500 million (company share). This includes a residential development at Brea Mall, new retail/dining/outdoor spaces at The Shops at Mission Viejo, and redevelopment at Fashion Mall at Keystone.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Tariff uncertainty and impact on retailer sales/inventoryQ4 FY25 inventory decisions, ongoing

    30% tariff on Chinese goods; $0.10 lower FFO from interest income, land sales, lease settlements; $0.17 FFO loss from Klépierre bond mark-to-market

    Mitigation: Retailers diversifying supply chains, company maintaining conservative guidance, strong balance sheet for opportunism.

    Potential pressure on local mom-and-pop retailersOngoing, if tariffs don't stabilize

    Discussed not quantified

    Mitigation: Hoping for stabilization of tariff situation; company focused on supporting all tenants.

    Cautious tourism to the U.S.FY25

    Discussed not quantified

    Mitigation: Weaker dollar may offset some impact; company monitoring border assets.

    Construction cost increasesOngoing

    Discussed not quantified

    Mitigation: Not starting construction until guaranteed max price and costs are finalized; cautious approach to new development.

    What to watch in Q2 FY25

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    Retailer sales per square foot

    Next quarter
    Current$7.33 (relatively flat)
    TargetImprovement, especially with April numbers

    Why it matters

    Sales trends are a key indicator of consumer health and directly impact percentage rents and overall property performance, especially given tariff uncertainties.

    Malls and premium outlet retailer sales per square foot was $7.33 per foot for the quarter.

    Q&A highlights

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    How have tariffs impacted retailer conversations, leasing, and sales expectations, especially given recent de-escalation?

    Tariffs have only affected 4 small deals from one European retailer due to import costs. Leasing demand remains strong. Predicting sales is difficult due to the 30% tariff on Chinese goods, which could impact inventory. The de minimis rule change is a significant benefit for U.S. retailers.

    “But I'd also say to you, the good news is, other than this one anecdote on some small deals from one European retailer, demand is still strong, and we haven't seen across the board by any stretch of imagination, a reduction in leasing demand.”

    asked by Steve Sakwa · answered by David Simon

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Tariff Impact and Retailer Strategy

    Management noted that tariff uncertainty🌐, particularly regarding goods from China, is a significant wildcard for retailer sales and inventory levels. While the situation has de-escalated, the remaining 30% tariff on some Chinese imports is material. Retailers are either holding off on Chinese goods, trying to source elsewhere, or negotiating with suppliers. This uncertainty is a key reason for the conservative full-year guidance, with potential impacts on Q4 inventory.

    02

    Forever 21 Re-leasing Strategy

    The company is actively re-leasing former Forever 21 spaces, with over half already leased. These new tenants, including Primark and Zara, are expected to more than double the rent previously paid by Forever 21. Approximately half of the 50 leased spaces are expected to commence rent this year, with the remainder in 2026 and some spillover into 2027. Some larger boxes are being split to accommodate new tenants.

    03

    Consumer Sentiment and Sales Trends

    Despite external narratives, the U.S. consumer appears fine, with sales being relatively flat through March, and expected to be up for the first four months year-over-year once April numbers are in. Traffic is holding up, with malls performing above and outlets slightly down due to weather and border-related softness. Tourism to the U.S. is expected to be cautious, potentially impacting sales from non-U.S. consumers.

    04

    OPI Performance and Outlook

    The OPI segment, comprising e-commerce (RGG, ShopSimon), Catalyst Group (JCPenney, Brooks Brothers, Lucky), and Jamestown interest, showed quarter-over-quarter improvement. Catalyst Brands, in particular, saw real improvement due to merger synergies and the F-21 bankruptcy. While JCPenney has some China reliance, Brooks Brothers is performing well. The company expects Catalyst to achieve positive EBITDA this year despite tariff and economic uncertainties.

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    Capital Allocation and Development Pipeline

    Simon Property Group maintains a cautious yet opportunistic approach to capital allocation. The development pipeline is active but not aggressive, with an expectation of construction costs increasing. The company plans to start approximately $500 million (company share) in new projects this year, including mixed-use developments, with a blended yield of 9%. They are not pulling triggers until all costs are finalized.

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    Balance Sheet and Debt Refinancing

    The company's balance sheet remains strong with over $10 billion in liquidity. They completed 12 secured loan transactions totaling $2.6 billion at a weighted average interest rate of 5.73% in Q1. Net debt to EBITDA stands at 5.2x, and the fixed charge coverage ratio is 4.6x. The company expects to refinance $1.6 billion of unsecured maturities in the unsecured market throughout the year, with lenders showing comfort with the asset class.

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