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    Earnings call· Jun 2025(Q2 FY25)

    SIMON PROPERTY GROUP Q2 FY25 earnings call SPG

    Aug 4, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Simon Property Group Q2 FY25 — Strong Operational Results and Strategic Acquisition

    Simon Property Group delivered robust Q2 FY25 results, driven by strong occupancy gains and increased shopper traffic, leading to a dividend increase and raised full-year FFO guidance. The company continues its disciplined investment strategy, exemplified by the accretive acquisition of Brickell City Centre, while navigating macroeconomic uncertainties like tariffs and interest rate volatility with a cautious yet optimistic outlook for future growth.

    Highlights

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    • Real estate FFO grew 4.1% to $3.05 per share in Q2 FY25.

    • Domestic property NOI increased 4.2% year-over-year for the quarter.

    • Occupancy at Malls and Premium Outlets reached 96.0%, up 40 basis points year-over-year.

    • The Mills achieved a record 99.3% occupancy, an increase of 110 basis points from the prior year.

    • Shopper traffic was up 1.5% across the portfolio.

    • Dividend increased by 4.9% to $2.15 per share for Q3.

    Concerns

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    • Lower interest income and higher interest expense resulted in a $0.07 per share drag on FFO year-over-year.

    • A $0.13 per share noncash loss from unrealized mark-to-market adjustment on exchangeable bonds due to Klepierre's share price outperformance.

    • Retailer bankruptcies impacted approximately 1.8 million square feet this quarter, with 1.7 million sq ft from Forever 21.

    • Softness in sales and traffic at border and tourist-oriented centers, which are performing "in line" rather than outperforming historically.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Full Year 2025 Real Estate FFO per share
    $12.45 to $12.65 per share
    high materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Malls and Premium Outlets
    Occupancy increased both sequentially and year-over-year. Average base minimum rent saw a modest increase. Sales per square foot were strong, and occupancy costs remained flat.
    Occupancy: 96.0%Occupancy change sequentially: +10 bpsOccupancy change year-over-year: +40 bpsAverage base minimum rent increase year-over-year: 1.3%Sales per square foot: $736Occupancy costs: 13.1%
    		————
    The Mills
    Achieved record high occupancy with significant increases both sequentially and year-over-year. Average base minimum rent also increased.
    Occupancy: 99.3%Occupancy change sequentially: +90 bpsOccupancy change year-over-year: +110 bpsAverage base minimum rent increase year-over-year: 0.6%
    		————

    Operational metrics

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    Real estate FFO per share
    $3.05up 4.1% YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by domestic and international operations contributing $0.21 of growth.

    Domestic property NOI growth
    4.2%YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Domestic property NOI growth
    3.8%YoY
    H1 FY25
    Portfolio NOI growth
    4.7%YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Portfolio NOI growth
    4.2%YoY
    H1 FY25
    Leases signed
    1,000
    Q2 FY25
    Leases signed
    3.6 million
    Q2 FY25
    New deals as percentage of leasing activity
    30%
    Q2 FY25

    Approximately 30% of leasing activity for the quarter was for new deals.

    Leases expiring through 2025 completed
    Nearly 90%ahead of this time last year
    Q2 FY25
    Retailer bankruptcies impact
    1.8 million
    Q2 FY25

    Impacted occupancy across the portfolio.

    Funds from operation
    $1.19 billionup 8.6% YoY
    Q2 FY25
    FFO per share
    $3.15up 8.6% YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Includes a $0.21 per share noncash after-tax gain primarily from Catalyst Brands' deconsolidation of Forever 21 and better operational performance, offset by a $0.13 per share noncash loss from unrealized mark-to-market adjustment on exchangeable bonds.

    Liquidity
    over $9 billion
    end of Q2 FY25
    Dividend per share
    $2.15up $0.10 or 4.9% YoY
    Q3 FY25

    Payable September 30.

    Secured loan transactions
    21
    H1 FY25

    These were mortgage finance loans, often with JV partners, not unsecured corporate debt.

    Shopper traffic growth
    1.5%YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Weakness noted in border and tourist-oriented centers.

    S&O pipeline
    340
    end of Q2 FY25

    Refers to the spread between signed and occupied.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Investment volume and initial cash yield$512 millionUSD
    Sourced opportunity volume and selectivity—
    Blended acquisition cap rate and spread vs costhighercap rate

    Orderbook & backlog

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    Development projects underway$1 billionend of Q2 FY25

    Company's share of net cost, at a blended yield of 9%. Approximately 40% of net costs are for mixed-use projects.

    Deals & partnerships

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    PartnerAcquisition of partner's interest in Brickell City Centre, a premier mixed-use property.$512 million

    Investment includes the retail and parking components. Simon now wholly owns and manages the center.

    Capital programs

    1
    Development projects underwayunderway$1 billion

    Benefit: blended yield of 9%

    Company's share of net cost. Approximately 40% of net costs are for mixed-use projects. Example given: Brea redevelopment (3-year process).

    Risks & headwinds

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    Geopolitical and domestic political uncertaintycurrent

    a lot of geopolitical stuff going on, obviously, a lot of domestic political stuff going on

    Mitigation: Unbelievable stewards that are -- in particular, they are able to manage that.

    Tariff swings and uncertaintycurrent, potentially into 2026

    Tariff swings back and forth, tariffs are a real cost of doing business, cost me $800 million or $1 billion (referencing other companies)

    Mitigation: Companies are working through who pays the cost (domestic company, suppliers, consumer); expect '26 to have less volatility as costs are absorbed.

    Interest rate uncertaintycurrent

    interest rate uncertainty

    Mitigation: Strong balance sheet and liquidity (over $9 billion).

    Retailer bankruptciesQ2 FY25

    approximately 1.8 million square feet this quarter, 1.7 million of that was Forever 21

    Mitigation: Occupancy remained strong across the portfolio, overcoming retailer bankruptcies; focus on replacing underperforming tenants.

    Softness in border and tourist-oriented centerscurrent

    sales and traffic weakness are border -- these assets... are relatively flat, international tourists is not growing or flatlining

    Mitigation: Overall portfolio traffic is up 1.5%; these centers are still great but not outperforming historically, indicating overall portfolio is not yet 'hitting on all cylinders'.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

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    Tariff impact resolution

    2026
    CurrentTariffs are a real cost of doing business and consistently changing
    TargetClarity on who bears the cost and stabilization of the operating environment.

    Why it matters

    Tariffs represent a significant cost and uncertainty for retailers, impacting their ability to pay rent and expand. Resolution will provide a clearer outlook for tenant health and future leasing.

    I think '26 actually, to me, might feel better only because by then, you'll know the tariffs. The tariffs could be a onetime cost at that time between the suppliers and the vendors or the importers, you've kind of figured out who's going to pay for it, and it will surface and then you'll be able to go forward and operate the business.

    Q&A highlights

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    Can you describe the current leasing velocity, deal flow, and quality of deals given the uncertain environment?

    David Simon stated that leasing demand is "unabated" despite global uncertainties, geopolitical issues, and interest rate volatility. He emphasized the physical shopping environment remains strong, with traffic up and sales holding. He also highlighted Simon's consistent track record without restructuring.

    “Unabated. So you're right, Jeff, in the sense that the whole world and -- is uncertain, a lot of geopolitical stuff going on, obviously, a lot of domestic political stuff going on... However, you have unbelievable stewards that are -- in particular, they are able to manage that. And in addition, retail demand is really unabated. And the physical shopping environment continues to be the place to be.”

    asked by Jeff Spector (Bank of America) · answered by David Simon

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

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    Brickell City Centre Acquisition

    Simon acquired its partner's interest in Brickell City Centre for $512 million, including retail and parking components. This investment is accretive, bought at a higher cap rate than comparable strip centers, and below replacement cost. Management expects to enhance operations and drive NOI growth through their expertise in leasing and management, leveraging Miami's growing CBD, population density, and international tourism.

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    Leasing Velocity and Tenant Demand

    Despite global uncertainties, Simon reports unabated leasing velocity and strong tenant demand across its portfolio. Shopper traffic is up 1.5%, and sales are holding steady. Even smaller, local tenants are performing well, exceeding plans, which is a positive shift from prior quarter concerns regarding tariffs and cost of goods.

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    Occupancy Optimization Strategy

    With high occupancy rates (Malls & Outlets at 96.0%, The Mills at 99.3%), the focus is shifting from simply filling space to optimizing occupancy through merchandise mix and replacing underperforming tenants with new, higher-quality concepts. This strategy aims to drive better property performance across all asset classes.

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    Macroeconomic Headwinds and Outlook

    Management acknowledges significant macroeconomic uncertainties, including geopolitical issues, domestic political volatility, tariff changes, and interest rate fluctuations. While cautious, they are optimistic about the U.S. growth profile driven by capital spending. They anticipate 2026 might see less tariff-related volatility as costs are absorbed, potentially leading to a clearer operating environment.

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    Anchor Box Strategy and Acquisitions

    Simon remains active in acquiring and redeveloping anchor boxes, emphasizing disciplined pricing. The company clarifies that its lack of direct involvement in recent JCPenney box sales from Copper Property Trust is due to the complex ownership structure involving Catalyst Brands, not a diminished interest in anchor box acquisitions. Simon continues to seek accretive acquisition opportunities that deepen retailer relationships and enhance its platform.

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    Company Resilience and Track Record

    David Simon highlighted the company's consistent performance over 33 years, contrasting it with other companies that have undergone restructurings. He emphasized Simon's focus on running the business appropriately, benefiting shareholders, and maintaining a strong balance sheet and platform without needing to sell assets or change management teams.

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