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    Earnings call· Jun 2025(Q2 FY25)

    UNION PACIFIC Q2 FY25 earnings call UNP

    Jul 24, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Union Pacific Q2 FY25 — Strong Operational Performance and Strategic Growth Amidst Merger Discussions

    Union Pacific delivered a strong second quarter, achieving record freight revenue and operating income, driven by volume growth, core pricing gains, and significant productivity improvements. The company's operational excellence allowed it to efficiently handle volume surges while improving safety and service. Management also announced advanced discussions regarding a potential business combination with Norfolk Southern, signaling a strategic move to enhance long-term value and adapt to an evolving industry landscape.

    Highlights

    5

    • Adjusted EPS increased 12% year-over-year to $3.03.

    • Adjusted operating ratio improved 230 basis points to 58.1%.

    • Freight revenue, excluding fuel surcharge, grew 6%, setting a best-ever quarterly record.

    • Workforce productivity marked an all-time quarterly record, improving 9% year-over-year.

    • Cash from operations totaled $4.5 billion, up over $500 million versus last year.

    Concerns

    5

    • Other revenue declined 16% to $311 million due to lower equity income, accessorials, and subsidiary revenues.

    • Fuel surcharge revenue declined $100 million due to lower year-over-year fuel prices.

    • Automotive volumes were down based on reduced OEM production.

    • International intermodal volumes are expected to decline sequentially through the quarter due to tariff pause impact and strong prior-year comparisons.

    • Softer vehicle sales are a concern, and tariff implications could influence consumer behavior.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    EPS growth
    Consistent with high single to low double-digit growth
    high materiality
    High
    Accretive pricing
    Industry-leading
    medium materiality
    High
    Operating ratio
    Industry-leading
    high materiality
    High
    ROIC
    Industry-leading
    medium materiality
    High
    Capital deployment strategy
    Unchanged
    medium materiality
    High
    Other revenue
    In line with Q2 results
    low materiality
    Medium
    Other income
    More like Q1 results
    low materiality
    Medium
    Volume
    Moderate to sequential declines
    medium materiality
    Medium
    Coal volumes
    Significantly exceed last year's levels
    medium materiality
    High
    Compensation per employee increase
    Similar level of increase for the full year
    low materiality
    Medium

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Bulk
    Strength in coal driven by strong customer demand due to favorable natural gas pricing and new LCRA shipments. Softer domestic grain offset by strong export shipments to Gulf and Mexico. Grain products volume up due to new soybean crush production.
    Volume: Up 11%Average revenue per car: Slight decrease
    		Up 10%10%——
    Industrial
    Strong core pricing gains partially offset by business mix and lower fuel surcharges. Rock shipments solid due to strong demand and favorable weather. Increased industrial chemicals shipments offset by softness in forest products.
    Volume: Up 3%Average revenue per carload: Up 2%
    		Up 4%4%——
    Premium
    Reflects mix impact of increased international intermodal shipments and lower fuel surcharges. Intermodal volumes showed year-over-year growth, offsetting market uncertainty. Automotive volumes down due to reduced OEM production.
    Volume: Up 1%Average revenue per car: Down 4%
    		Down 4%-4%——

    Operational metrics

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    Operating revenue
    $6.2 billionUp 2% YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Freight revenue
    $5.8 billionUp 4% YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Freight revenue excluding fuel surcharge
    Up 6%
    Q2 FY25
    Other revenue
    $311 millionDown 16% YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Impacted by intermodal equipment sale, metro transfer, lower accessorial and subsidiary revenues.

    Operating expense
    $3.6 billionUp 1% YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Increased 1% against a 4% increase in quarterly volume.

    Compensation and benefits expense
    Up 5%
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by the Brakeperson buyout agreement, which was the third and final agreement.

    Adjusted compensation and benefits expense
    Up 1%
    Q2 FY25

    Adjusted for the Brakeperson agreement.

    Cost per employee
    Up 3.5%
    Q2 FY25

    Offset by 3% lower workforce level and strong productivity.

    Fuel expense
    Down 8%
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by an 11% decrease in fuel prices from $2.73 to $2.42 per gallon.

    Equipment and other rents
    Up 5%
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by lower equity income and business mix.

    Other expense
    Improved 5%
    Q2 FY25

    Lower casualty and environmental costs more than offset last year's $46 million gain from intermodal equipment sales.

    Operating income
    $2.5 billion
    Q2 FY25
    Income tax expense
    Improved 14%
    Q2 FY25

    More than offsetting the tax increase from higher income.

    Net income
    $1.9 billion
    Q2 FY25
    Adjusted EPS
    $3.03Up 12% YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Adjusted operating ratio
    58.1%Improved 230 bps YoY
    Q2 FY25

    Reflecting a 90 basis point impact from the Brakeperson agreement.

    Capital returned to shareholders
    $4.3 billion
    YTD Q2 FY25
    Dividend increase
    3%
    Q2 FY25

    Announced a 3% dividend increase, marking the 19th consecutive year of annual increases.

    Adjusted debt-to-EBITDA ratio
    2.8x
    Q2 FY25

    Company remains A-rated by all three credit rating agencies.

    Freight revenue volume growth contribution
    375 bps
    Q2 FY25

    Volume growth added 375 basis points to freight revenue.

    Freight revenue price and mix contribution
    200 bps
    Q2 FY25

    Price combined with mix for a 200 basis point benefit to freight revenue.

    Workforce level
    3% lower
    Q2 FY25

    3% lower workforce level helped offset compensation increases.

    Employees transferred to Metro
    Close to 250
    Q2 FY25

    Completing the majority of transfers started in Q2 2024.

    Fuel consumption rate
    Improved 2%
    Q2 FY25

    Driven by fuel and locomotive initiatives and a more fuel-efficient business mix.

    Intermodal terminal investments
    $1.4 billion
    Since 2020

    Invested to support growth and expansion in the intermodal business, including four new intermodal terminals.

    Industrial development projects
    Nearly 400
    Current

    Actively driving carload growth by opening new doors for the company.

    Coal and renewable shipments surge
    30%
    Q2 FY25

    Effectively handled a 30% surge in coal and renewable shipments.

    Intermodal service performance
    99%Improved YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Manifest service performance
    97%Improved YoY
    Q2 FY25
    Active train engine and yard workforce decrease
    1%
    Q2 FY25

    Demonstrating excellent operating leverage against 4% volume growth.

    Union Pacific employees signed up for direct negotiations
    36%
    Current

    Close to 36% of employees have signed up or have a tentative agreement through direct negotiations.

    Cash impact from 100% bonus depreciation
    $250 million to $300 millionIncremental
    Annual

    Expected annual incremental cash benefit if 100% bonus depreciation is restored.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    SafetyImproved
    VolumeUp 4%%
    Operating ratio58.1%%
    Service metrics99%%
    Network fluidity221 miles per daymiles/day
    Pricing vs rail inflationAccretive
    Fuel surcharge diesel price$569 millionUSD
    Intermodal truckload volumeUp 1%%
    Labor productivity headcountImproved 9%%
    Tariff trade policy revenue impactImpact of tariff pause

    Product announcements

    2
    ProductTypeDetails
    Kansas City Intermodal Terminallaunch
    7-day a week intermodal servicelaunch

    Deals & partnerships

    1
    Norfolk SouthernPotential business combination

    Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern are engaged in advanced discussions regarding a potential business combination. No assurances that an agreement will be reached, and no further comments will be made until there is something to disclose.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Softer domestic grain demandQ2 FY25

    Offset by strength in export shipments

    Mitigation: Strong export shipments to the Gulf and Mexico.

    Softness in forest products marketQ2 FY25

    Partially offset increased industrial chemicals shipments

    Reduced OEM productionQ2 FY25

    Automotive volumes down

    Mitigation: Recently converted new auto parts volume originating from Mexico.

    Market uncertainty and slower consumer spendingQ2 FY25

    Offset by business development efforts

    Mitigation: Intermodal volumes continued to show year-over-year growth due to business development efforts.

    Strong comparisons and port shifts challenging international and domestic intermodal volumesH2 FY25

    Expected sequential declines through Q3 FY25

    Mitigation: Focus on backfilling volume with domestic intermodal, introducing new products and services (e.g., 7-day a week service, new intermodal terminal).

    Softer vehicle salesH2 FY25

    Concern

    Potential tariff implications influencing consumer behaviorH2 FY25

    Mindful of external pressures

    Mitigation: Focus on shifts within company control and outperforming markets.

    Competitive risk to fourth quarter grain exportsQ4 FY25

    Evaluating

    Policy-related uncertainty in renewable fuels and associated feedstocksOngoing

    Offset by intense business development focus

    Mitigation: Intense business development focus in grain products.

    Tariff activity impacting metals shipmentsOngoing

    Balanced by continued strength in construction

    Mitigation: Exceptional service positioned to capture demand in construction, specifically in the South.

    Petroleum volume challenged due to business shiftsOngoing

    Anticipate to remain challenged

    Mitigation: Commitment to balance volume at the right margins.

    What to watch in Q3 FY25

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    Adjusted Operating Ratio

    Q3 FY25
    Current58.1%
    TargetContinued improvement

    Why it matters

    Management aims for continuous improvement and industry leadership in operating ratio, which is a key measure of efficiency.

    But our challenge and our task as a management team is to make continuous improvement. And so we feel very confident in our ability to continue to drive improvement as we move through the back half of the year.

    Q&A highlights

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    Given Union Pacific's strong organic momentum, industry-leading OR, and balance sheet, why pursue a multi-year distraction like a merger now?

    CEO Jim Vena explained that the company's journey since 2019 has been to drive efficiency, productivity, and customer focus. He stated that not standing still is crucial for long-term success, and a merger could help the nation and customers win by leveraging a highly efficient railroad. He emphasized that decisions are not taken lightly and involve extensive homework.

    “If you stand still, you get left behind. So I love where we are because if you fundamentally have a railroad that's operating the way we operate and the way we can react, then you can do things to help the nation, help our customers win.”

    asked by Jonathan Chappell · answered by Vincenzo Vena

    2 min read6 chapters

    Detailed Narrative

    01

    Strategic Merger Discussions with Norfolk Southern

    Union Pacific announced it is engaged in advanced discussions regarding a potential business combination with Norfolk Southern. Management stated that while there are no assurances an agreement will be reached, they thought it prudent to disclose the ongoing talks. CEO Jim Vena emphasized that the company has done significant homework to reach this point, reflecting a strategic move to avoid stagnation and leverage the company's strong operational foundation for future growth and national benefit.

    02

    Operational Excellence and Productivity Records

    The company achieved several operational records in Q2 FY25, including a best-ever quarterly freight revenue excluding fuel surcharge, and an all-time quarterly record for workforce productivity, which improved 9% year-over-year. Freight car velocity improved 10% to 221 miles per day, driven by reduced terminal dwell and increased train speed. Locomotive productivity improved 5%, and train length reached an all-time record of nearly 9,700 feet, contributing to efficiency and capacity.

    03

    Pricing Discipline and Service Product Strength

    Union Pacific maintained discipline in its pricing strategy, supported by a strong service product. For the third consecutive quarter, core pricing dollars net of inflation were accretive to the operating ratio. Management highlighted that the ability to provide consistent and reliable service allows them to capture price opportunities and win new business, even in a challenging market environment. This approach is seen as crucial for long-term growth and market outperformance.

    04

    Volume Dynamics and Growth Opportunities

    While international intermodal volumes are expected to face headwinds in the second half due to strong prior-year comparisons and tariff impact🌐s, the company is seeing growth in other areas. Coal volumes are projected to significantly exceed last year's levels, driven by natural gas prices and new contracts. Industrial segment is benefiting from investments in the Gulf Coast petrochemical market, and new intermodal terminals are being opened to support domestic intermodal growth.

    05

    Capital Allocation and Shareholder Returns

    Union Pacific generated $4.5 billion in cash from operations in Q2 FY25, returning $4.3 billion to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends year-to-date. The company announced a 3% dividend increase, marking the 19th consecutive year of increases, consistent with its Investor Day commitments. The adjusted debt-to-EBITDA ratio finished at 2.8x, maintaining A-ratings from credit agencies, underscoring a strong financial position.

    06

    Technology and Automation for Future Efficiency

    Management emphasized the ongoing focus on leveraging technology and automation to drive further efficiency and safety. This includes enhancing terminal processes, adjusting transportation plans to eliminate touch points, and improving locomotive dwell times. Discussions with the FRA are progressing on implementing technologies, some new and some existing, to improve safety and efficiency across the railroad industry, including potential advancements related to crew operations.

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