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    WFC
    Earnings call· Sep 2025(Q3 FY25)

    WELLS FARGO & COMPANY/MN WFC

    Oct 14, 2025 Source

    Executive summary

    Wells Fargo Q3 FY25 — Strong Momentum, Asset Cap Lifted, and Higher ROTCE Target

    Wells Fargo delivered strong Q3 FY25 results, benefiting from prior investments and the lifting of the asset cap. The company set a new medium-term ROTCE target of 17-18%, driven by balance sheet growth, business expansion, and significant excess capital. Management emphasized organic growth opportunities and continued efficiency gains, while navigating NIM compression and specific segment revenue declines.

    Highlights

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    • Net income up 9% from a year ago to $5.6 billion.

    • Diluted earnings per share up 9% from a year ago to $1.66.

    • Revenue increased 5% from a year ago, driven by net interest income and strong fee-based revenue.

    • Investment banking fees increased 25% from a year ago.

    • Loan growth accelerated, with period-end balances showing the strongest linked-quarter growth in over 3 years.

    • Credit card new account growth up 49% from a year ago in Q3, adding over 900,000 accounts.

    • CET1 ratio at 11%, well above the new regulatory minimum plus buffers of 8.5%.

    • Share repurchases doubled from the second quarter to $6.1 billion in Q3.

    Concerns

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    • Net interest margin declined 7 basis points from the second quarter, driven by growth in lower-yielding trading assets.

    • Commercial Banking revenue was down 9% from a year ago due to lower net interest income and deposit/loan balances.

    • Auto revenue declined 6% from a year ago due to loan spread compression.

    • Severance expense of $296 million ($0.07 per share) was incurred in the third quarter.

    Guidance & targets

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    CategoryTargetConfidence
    Return on Tangible Common Equity (ROTCE)
    17% to 18%
    high materiality
    High
    CET1 Ratio
    10% to 10.5%
    high materiality
    High
    Net Interest Income (NII)
    roughly in line with $47.7 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Net Interest Income (NII)
    $12.4 billion to $12.5 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Noninterest Expense
    approximately $54.6 billion
    high materiality
    High
    Noninterest Expense
    approximately $13.5 billion
    medium materiality
    High
    Severance Expense (FY25)
    approximately $300 million
    medium materiality
    High
    Share Repurchases
    roughly in line with Q3
    high materiality
    High
    Dividend Payout Ratio
    30% to 40%
    medium materiality
    High

    Segment performance

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    SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
    Consumer, Small and Business Banking
    Revenue increase driven by lower deposit costs and higher deposit and loan balances. Results also reflected the transfer of certain business customer accounts from Commercial Banking.
    Loans transferred in: ~$8 billionDeposits transferred in: ~$6 billion
    increased 6%6%
    Home Lending
    Revenue increase due to higher mortgage banking fees. Continued reduction in headcount and third-party servicing as the business is simplified and focused on existing customers.
    Headcount reduction since end of 2022: >50%Third-party mortgage loan service for others reduction since end of 2022: 36%
    increased 3%3%
    Credit Card
    Revenue growth included higher loan balances and card fees. Strong new account growth benefited from digital engagement and branch production.
    New accounts added in Q3: >900,000New account growth in Q3: 49% YoY
    grew 13%13%
    Auto
    YoY revenue decline due to loan spread compression from previous credit-tightening actions. QoQ revenue increase driven by higher loan balances, benefiting from being the preferred financing provider for Volkswagen and Audi vehicles.
    Originations: more than doubled YoYLoan balances: grown for 2 consecutive quarters
    declined 6%-6%6%
    Personal Lending
    Revenue decline driven by lower loan balances.
    declined
    Commercial Banking
    Revenue decline due to lower net interest income from lower interest rates and lower deposit/loan balances, partially offset by higher noninterest income from tax credit and equity investments. Average loan balances declined due to the transfer of business customer accounts to Consumer, Small and Business Banking.
    Average loan balances decline: $7.1 billion (3%) QoQ
    down 9%-9%
    Corporate and Investment Banking - Banking
    Revenue growth driven by higher investment banking revenue with strong performance across leveraged finance, equity capital markets, and M&A.
    grew 1%1%
    Corporate and Investment Banking - Commercial Real Estate
    Revenue decline driven by lower loan balances, impact of lower interest rates, and reduced mortgage banking servicing income from the sale of non-agency third-party servicing business.
    down 13%-13%
    Corporate and Investment Banking - Markets
    Revenue growth across most asset classes. Average loan growth reflected higher balances in Markets and banking, driven by new originations with stable utilization rates.
    Average loans growth: 8% YoYAverage loans growth: 4% QoQ
    grew 6%6%
    Wealth and Investment Management
    Revenue increase driven by growth in asset-based fees from increased market valuations and higher net interest income due to lower deposit pricing and growth in deposit and loan balances. Solid momentum in adviser recruiting, net asset flows, loan and deposit balances, and total client assets.
    Net investment flows into Premier: up 47% (first 9 months of year)Advisor attrition: declined every quarter this year
    increased 8%8%
    Corporate
    Revenue increased year-over-year, largely reflecting losses a year ago from the repositioning of the investment securities portfolio.
    increased

    Operational metrics

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    Revenue from US operations
    95%
    FY25

    More than 95% of our revenues are from U.S. consumers and U.S.-based companies.

    Severance expense per share
    $0.07
    Q3 FY25

    Severance expense primarily for actions to streamline the company and improve efficiency.

    Headcount
    211,000down 24%
    Q3 FY25

    Headcount reductions every quarter for 5 years, driven by efficiency, not business sales or outsourcing.

    Gross expense saves
    $15 billion
    by end of FY25

    Expected to be achieved by the end of this year, funding increases in control and regulatory spend and strategic growth initiatives.

    Control and regulatory spend increase
    $2.5 billionmore than when Charlie arrived
    FY24

    Increased spend on control and regulatory work compared to 2019 levels.

    Trading-related assets growth
    50%up
    since end of 2023

    Growth in client-focused flow-based business after the lifting of the asset cap.

    Credit card new accounts growth
    9%up
    first 9 months of 2025 vs year ago

    Reflects enhancements to product offerings and focus on better penetrating client base.

    Coverage bankers hired
    160
    last 2 years

    Hiring focused on 19 high-density markets for growth where market share is lower.

    Managing Directors hired
    >125
    since 2019

    Investments in talent to drive growth in CIB.

    Investment banking share gain (US)
    >120gain
    since 2022

    Most of any investment bank, driven by investments in talent and competitive advantages.

    Net investment flows into Premier
    47%up
    first 9 months of this year

    Benefits seen from the launch of Wells Fargo Premier to better serve affluent clients.

    Capital above regulatory minimums
    $30 billion
    Q3 FY25

    Significant excess capital position.

    After-tax earnings run rate
    >$20 billion
    current

    Current run rate of earnings generation.

    Annual dividends
    ~$6 billion
    current

    Annual dividend payments.

    Remaining earnings for flexibility
    $14 billion
    current

    Remaining after-tax earnings after dividends, providing flexibility for growth, support, and capital return.

    Average common shares outstanding reduction
    4%reduced
    first 9 months of this year

    Reduction in average common shares outstanding.

    Average common shares outstanding reduction
    24%declined
    since 2019

    Overall reduction in average common shares outstanding since 2019.

    Net interest income increase
    $242 millionup 2%
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Driven by one additional day in the quarter, higher loan and investment securities balances, and fixed rate asset repricing.

    Net interest margin decline
    7declined
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Driven by growth in lower-yielding trading assets; excluding Markets business impact, NIM would have been flat QoQ.

    Average loans increase
    $18.4 billionup
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Driven by growth in commercial and industrial loans, securities-based lending, credit card, and auto loans.

    Average deposits decline
    $1.8 billiondeclined
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Reflects reduction in higher cost corporate treasury deposits, partially offset by deposit growth in businesses.

    Corporate treasury deposits reduction
    $37.5 billionreduced
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Reduction in higher cost corporate treasury deposits.

    Noninterest income increase
    $810 millionup 9%
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Strong growth in Wealth and Investment Management and Investment Banking, compared to prior year losses from securities portfolio repositioning.

    Noninterest income increase
    4%up
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Growth across all business-related fee categories, offsetting decline in other noninterest income.

    Noninterest expense increase
    $779 millionup 6%
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Driven by severance expense, higher revenue-related compensation, and increased technology and advertising expenses.

    Revenue-related compensation expense
    $220 millionhigher
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Predominantly in Wealth and Investment Management due to strong market performance.

    Net loan charge-off ratio decline
    9declined
    Q3 FY25 vs year ago

    Overall improvement in credit performance.

    Net loan charge-off ratio decline
    4declined
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Overall improvement in credit performance.

    Consumer net loan charge-offs decline
    $58 milliondeclined
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Improvements across all consumer portfolios with the exception of auto.

    Consumer net loan charge-offs rate
    73
    Q3 FY25

    Rate of consumer net loan charge-offs as a percentage of average loans.

    Nonperforming assets decline
    2%declined
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Driven by lower commercial real estate nonaccrual loans.

    Allowance for credit losses decline
    $257 milliondeclined
    Q3 FY25 vs Q2 FY25

    Driven by lower allowance reflecting improved credit performance and lower commercial real estate loans, partially offset by higher C&I, auto, and credit card balances.

    Allowance coverage for CRE office portfolio
    10.8%down from 11.1% in Q2 FY25
    Q3 FY25

    Allowance coverage for the CRE office portfolio.

    Third-party spend
    $3.3 billion
    YTD Q3 FY25

    Year-to-date third-party spend.

    Third-party spend (annualized)
    $4.4 billionunchanged from last year
    FY25 annualized

    Annualized third-party spend, based on year-to-date figures.

    RWA for NDFI
    well less than 100%
    current

    Analyst question regarding SSFA's role in allowing NDFI, when wrapped in different structures, to have an RWA that could be well less than 100%.

    Office portfolio reduction
    ~1/3down
    last couple of years

    Reduction in the office portfolio from a couple of years ago.

    Industry KPIs

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    MetricValueDetails
    Loansincreased $18.4 billionUSD
    Depositsdeclined $1.8 billionUSD
    Rotce ROE15.2%%
    Cet1 ratio11%%
    Capital returns$6.1 billionUSD
    Fee income linesincreased $810 millionUSD
    Allowance reservesdeclined $257 millionUSD
    Net interest income$12.1 billionUSD
    Net interest margindeclined 7 bpsbps
    Net charge offs nplsdeclined 4 bpsbps
    Total operating expenses$13.5 billionUSD
    Provision for credit losses
    Efficiency ratio operating leverage

    Product announcements

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    ProductTypeDetails
    Wells Fargo Premierlaunch

    Deals & partnerships

    1
    Union Pacific / Norfolk SouthernAdvised Union Pacific's acquisition of Norfolk Southern.$85 billion

    Wells Fargo advised on the largest announced deal of 2025 so far, demonstrating increasing capability in M&A assignments, particularly in the industrial sector.

    Risks & headwinds

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    Growing credit card portfolios as a drag on earningsfirst ~3 years of investment

    Drag on earnings and returns until approximately the third year

    Mitigation: Expected to become more accretive to results as vintages mature, with strong returns over the life of the portfolio as long as spend, balances, and credit results are in line with expectations.

    Commercial Real Estate (Office) losses

    Additional losses expected, could be lumpy

    Mitigation: Office valuations continue to stabilize; expected losses should be well within expectations. The portfolio has been reduced by approximately 1/3 from a couple of years ago.

    Regulatory capital rules uncertainty

    Impact on CET1 ratio

    Mitigation: Waiting on revised rules around regulatory capital, including Basel III and G-SIB, to determine potential future changes to capital management strategy.

    What to watch in Q4 FY25

    5

    ROTCE trajectory

    medium term
    Current15.2%
    TargetProgress towards 17-18%

    Why it matters

    Key indicator of the company's ability to achieve its new higher return target, driven by balance sheet growth, business expansion, and capital optimization.

    We ended the third quarter with over $30 billion of capital above our regulatory minimums. Not only do we have excess capital today, but we continue to generate more excess capital as well. At today's run rate, we generate over $20 billion in after-tax earnings per year and pay approximately $6 billion annually in dividends. The remaining $14 billion provides us with a lot of additional flexibility to grow our businesses and support our clients and communities, manage through economic volatility and return capital to shareholders. We believe a dividend payout ratio of 30% to 40% is still appropriate. We are at the lower end of that range today. Optimizing our excess capital provides us with the real opportunity to improve our returns.

    Q&A highlights

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    Clarification on the 'medium term' for the 17-18% ROTCE target and detailed drivers for Q4 NII growth, especially Markets NII and fixed asset repricing.

    Charlie clarified 'medium term' is longer than a year but not an extended period, dependent on capital management and business results, and not the final goal. Mike detailed Q4 NII drivers: Markets NII growth (lending, hedging, higher bond coupons), Q3 loan growth continuing into Q4, and fixed asset repricing in securities, auto, and other portfolios.

    it's not next year, but we're not looking at any extended period of time either. And also note the comments in there that it's not our final destination relative to our targets either.

    asked by Ken Usdin · answered by Charles Scharf

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    Detailed Narrative

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    Strategic Transformation and Asset Cap Lift Impact

    Wells Fargo has undergone a significant transformation since late 2019, closing 13 regulatory orders and achieving $15 billion in gross expense saves, leading to a $3.6 billion reduction in expenses since 2019. The lifting of the asset cap is enabling more aggressive balance sheet growth, particularly in trading-related assets in Corporate and Investment Banking, which are up 50% since the end of 2023. This allows the company to compete more effectively and pursue growth in balance sheet-intensive businesses, while maintaining a focus on U.S. consumers and businesses, which account for over 95% of revenues.

    02

    Growth Opportunities and Business Investments

    The company is focused on domestic growth, leveraging its scale in Consumer Banking, Wealth Management, Corporate Banking, and Commercial Banking. Strategic investments have diversified revenue mix and grown fee streams, with revenue from these businesses increasing almost $5 billion since 2019. Key growth areas include reaccelerating consumer checking account growth, enhancing credit card offerings (leading to a 9% increase in new accounts in the first 9 months of 2025), and expanding the Corporate and Investment Bank, which has gained over 120 basis points of U.S. investment banking share since 2022.

    03

    Capital Management and Shareholder Returns

    Wells Fargo maintains a strong capital position, with a CET1 ratio of 11% in Q3 FY25, well above its new regulatory minimum plus buffers of 8.5%. The recent CCAR exam reduced the stress capital buffer by 120 basis points. The company repurchased $6.1 billion of common stock in Q3 and expects similar levels in Q4, with over $30 billion of capital above regulatory minimums. This excess capital, combined with over $20 billion in annual after-tax earnings, provides significant flexibility for growth and shareholder returns, targeting a 30-40% dividend payout ratio.

    04

    Credit Quality and Consumer Resilience

    Credit performance remained strong and continued to improve in Q3 FY25, with the net loan charge-off ratio declining 4 basis points QoQ and 9 basis points YoY. Commercial net loan charge-offs were stable, with lower C&I losses largely offset by higher commercial real estate losses. Consumer net loan charge-offs declined $58 million QoQ to 73 basis points of average loans, reflecting continued consumer resilience due to income growth keeping pace with inflation and stable payment rates.

    05

    Efficiency Initiatives and Headcount Reduction

    The company's efficiency agenda continues to drive results, with headcount declining 24% from a peak of 276,000 in Q2 2020 to 211,000 in Q3 2025, primarily through efficiency improvements rather than business sales. Significant opportunities for further efficiency gains are identified across third-party spend, real estate costs, and automation. While control and regulatory spend remains higher than in 2019, the company aims to optimize this over time through technology and process redefinition.

    06

    Wealth and Investment Management Momentum

    The Wealth and Investment Management business is showing solid momentum, with revenue up 8% YoY. The launch of Wells Fargo Premier has contributed to a 47% increase in net investment flows into the program during the first 9 months of the year. Investments in the advisor and client experience, including improvements to the independent platform, have led to increased advisor retention and quality of recruits, with advisor attrition declining every quarter this year.

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