UAL
Earnings call · Jun 2025 (Q2 FY25)

United Airlines Holdings Q2 FY25 earnings call UAL

Jul 17, 2025 Source

Executive summary

United Airlines Q2 FY25 — Strong Operational Performance and Demand Inflection

United Airlines navigated a volatile macro environment and unique Newark challenges to deliver strong Q2 FY25 results, driven by robust operational performance and a strategic focus on brand loyalty. Management noted a positive inflection in demand and industry capacity adjustments, setting up a more favorable revenue backdrop for the second half of the year. The company continues to execute its United Next plan, aiming for stable double-digit margins and increased free cash flow.

Highlights

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  • Delivered EPS of $3.87, exceeding Wall Street expectations of $3.81, despite significant headwinds.

  • Record Q2 revenue of $15.2 billion, up 1.7% year-over-year.

  • CASM-ex growth of 2.2% in Q2, better than planned, with similar performance expected for the remainder of the year.

  • Generated over $1.1 billion in free cash flow in Q2, with full-year expectation of over $2 billion.

  • Newark operations rebounded strongly, with fewest cancellations and most on-time flights in the NYC area in June, leading to booking recovery.

Concerns

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  • Newark disruption impacted Q2 margins by approximately 1.2 points and is expected to have an approximately 1 point margin impact in Q3.

  • Consolidated TRASM was down 4% on a 5.9% increase in capacity, with domestic TRASM down 7%.

  • Demand was about 5 points weaker in the first half of the year than initially expected due to high macroeconomic uncertainty.

  • Q3 RASMs are likely to be negative year-over-year, and Q3 relies on segments that have been weakest (offshore and main cabin sales).

Guidance & targets

CategoryTargetConfidence
Q3 FY25 EPS
$2.25 - $2.75
high materiality
High
Full-year FY25 EPS
$9 - $11
high materiality
High
Full-year FY25 Free Cash Flow
over $2 billion
high materiality
High
Full-year FY25 CASM-ex growth
similar to Q2 (2.2%)
medium materiality
High
Longer-term pretax margins
double-digit
high materiality
High
Net leverage target
below 2x
medium materiality
High
Full-year FY25 Capital Expenditures
below $6.5 billion
medium materiality
Medium
FY26 Gauge growth
2%
medium materiality
High
MAX 10 deliveries
some in 2027
medium materiality
Medium
Connected Media revenue growth
double 2024 revenues
low materiality
Medium

Segment performance

SegmentRevenueYoYQoQMargin
Company-wide
International flying outperformed domestic. Pacific operations continued impressive results. Atlantic had negative RASMs year-over-year, but margins in historically off-peak periods are up. Premium capacity remains resilient. Domestic margins are positive in each hub.
Consolidated TRASM: -4% YoY (on 5.9% capacity increase)Adjusted TRASM (ex-Newark): -2% to -3% YoYDomestic TRASM: -7% YoYInternational TRASM: -1% YoYPacific RASM: positive growthAtlantic RASM: negative YoYPremium cabin revenues: +5.6% YoYEconomy cabin revenues: negative YoYPremium RASMs vs non-premium: 6 points betterCargo revenue: +4% YoYLoyalty revenues: +9% YoY
$15.2B1.7%

Operational metrics

FAA funding for ATC infrastructure
$12.5B
July 2025

Funding passed by Congress to begin rebuilding outdated ATC infrastructure, upgrading copper wire to modern fiber optic cables.

Q3 sales pre-booked
50% as of July 1
Q3 FY25

Recent booking strength does not change the fact that 50% of third quarter sales were sold as of July 1, prior to the change in sentiment.

Unencumbered assets
$40B exceeds
Q2 FY25

After prepayment of MileagePlus bonds, fully unencumbering the MileagePlus business.

Target pretax margin
13%
Longer term

Scott Kirby stated he would rather have United at 13% margins than 10%.

Peer target pretax margin
13.5%
Longer term

Scott Kirby stated he would rather have United at 13% margins and Delta at 13.5%.

Peer margin comparison
9.5%
Longer term

Scott Kirby stated he would rather have United at 10% margins and Delta at 9.5%.

Capital expenditures
$6.5B some downside
FY25

Expected capital expenditures for the year, with potential for downside due to wide-body delivery delays.

EPS
$3.87 vs $3.81 Wall Street expectations
Q2 FY25

Well within guidance range and ahead of Wall Street expectations.

Revenue
$15.2B up 1.7% YoY
Q2 FY25

Record revenue for the quarter.

Newark margin impact
1.2 points
Q2 FY25

Impact from Newark disruption.

Newark margin impact
1 point
Q3 FY25

Expected impact to linger into Q3.

Demand inflection (July sales vs Q2)
6-point positive swing vs Q2 FY25 sales
July

Reflects less macroeconomic uncertainty.

Business revenues swing
double-digit swing vs Q2 FY25
July

Swing in higher-yielding business revenues.

Domestic ticket sales yields
positive YoY for the first time since February
July

Reflecting improved demand environment.

Relative TRASM growth vs industry
7 points more
since 2019

Faster than any other carrier since the pandemic.

Liquidity
$18.6B
Q2 FY25

Total liquidity at quarter end.

MileagePlus bonds paydown
$1.5B 2 years early
July 7

Prepayment of the most expensive remaining fixed rate debt, fully unencumbering the MileagePlus business.

Gross debt reduction
almost $11B
since COVID peak

Total debt reduction since the peak debt level of COVID.

Average cost of debt
4.7%
Q2 FY25

Current average cost of debt.

Shares repurchased
$235M
Q2 FY25

Amount of shares repurchased during the quarter.

Remaining share repurchase authorization
$829M
Q2 FY25

Remaining authorization for share buybacks.

Net leverage
2x
Q2 FY25

Net leverage ratio at quarter end.

Connected Media revenue growth
double 2024 revenues vs 2024
FY25

Target for the media revenue channel, supported by technology stack and client roster.

Aircraft with new seatback technology
well over half
Q2 FY25

Progress on installing new seatback screens.

MAX deliveries
slightly ahead of schedule
Q2 FY25

Boeing's performance on narrow-body deliveries.

Wide-body deliveries (787s)
not to plan yet
Q2 FY25

Performance on 787 deliveries.

Gauge growth
2%
FY26

Current plan for gauge increase, expected to accelerate in FY27.

Pilot hiring
3,000
annual

Annual pilot hiring rate, indicating balanced staffing levels.

Starlink equipped aircraft
60
Q2 FY25

Number of aircraft currently flying with Starlink, with interference issues resolved.

Industry KPIs

MetricValueDetails
Casm ex2.2% %
Capacity5.9% %
Fleet mro99 seats
Unit revenue-4% %
Loyalty co brand9% %
Demand indicators6-point positive swing points
Premium diverse revenue mix5.6% %

Product announcements

ProductTypeDetails
Polaris Studio Suitelaunch
Blue Sky collaborationexpansion
JFK serviceexpansion
United Elevated interiorupdate

Deals & partnerships

JetBlue Blue Sky collaboration to create a competitive alternative for customers and MileagePlus members in NYC and Boston.

Collaboration aimed at enhancing customer choice and loyalty program benefits in key East Coast markets.

FAA Advocated for and received $12.5 billion in funding for ATC infrastructure upgrades. $12.5B

United was deeply engaged with the FAA and Secretary Duffy to secure funding for rebuilding outdated Air Traffic Control infrastructure.

Risks & headwinds

Newark operational disruptions Q2 FY25, Q3 FY25

Q2 margin impact of 1.2 points; Q3 margin impact of approximately 1 point.

Mitigation:Runway construction completed, FAA tech upgraded, hourly flight caps implemented, bookings largely recovered, no impact expected in Q4.

Macroeconomic uncertainty impacting demand H1 FY25

Demand 5 points weaker in H1 FY25 than expected.

Mitigation:Uncertainty has declined, leading to a positive inflection in demand, including double-digit acceleration in business demand.

Geopolitical challenges (Middle East) Q2 FY25

Impacted fuel prices and customer demand.

Mitigation:Appears to have stabilized; planned resumption of Tel Aviv service from Newark on July 21.

Wide-body aircraft delivery delays (787s) FY25 and beyond

Not to plan yet; some downside to $6.5B FY25 capex.

Mitigation:Boeing doing a great job on narrow-bodies; contingency plan with MAX 9s if MAX 10s are delayed.

Engine constraint for wide-body aircraft Longer term

Longer-term constraint.

Mitigation:Not explicitly stated, but implies ongoing supply chain management.

What to watch in Q3 FY25

Newark operational performance and booking recovery

Q4 FY25
Current Q3 margin impact of ~1 point expected; bookings largely recovered in July.
Target No impact in Q4; continued strong operational performance.

Why it matters

Newark is a crown jewel hub; its reliability and profitability are key to overall company performance.

We expect that the impact will linger into Q3 with an approximately 1 point margin impact. But here's the key takeaway, and it's really good news. We have already seen a dramatic turnaround in Newark. Bookings have largely recovered, and we don't expect any impact in Q4 because Newark isn't just back to normal, it's running better than ever.

Q&A highlights

Inquired about the drivers of strong Q2 CASM-ex and the sustainability of lower distribution expense.

Mike Leskinen attributed strong CASM-ex to reliable operations and procurement changes, expecting similar performance in Q3/Q4, inclusive of the flight attendant contract. He confirmed distribution expense is a long-term downward trend due to direct channel adoption.

“Distribution expense does continue to come down as more customers are choosing to go through the direct channel. So I do expect that long-term trend.”

asked by Tom Wadewitz · answered by Michael Leskinen

3 min read 5 chapters

Detailed narrative

Newark Operations Turnaround

United's Newark hub faced significant challenges in Q2 FY25 due to FAA technology outages, ongoing runway construction, and staffing shortages, leading to extensive negative media coverage and a 15-point drop in load factors. This disruption impacted Q2 margins by 1.2 points and is expected to have a 1-point margin impact in Q3. However, with the completion of runway construction two weeks early, FAA technology upgrades, and the implementation of hourly flight caps, Newark's operation has dramatically improved, becoming the best-performing airport in the NYC area in June. Bookings have largely recovered, and no impact is expected in Q4, positioning Newark for reliable and profitable operations.

Industry Transformation and Supply Adjustment

Management reiterated its thesis that the airline industry is transforming, with United and Delta emerging as the two brand-loyal, revenue-diverse airlines generating the bulk of industry profits. They noted a 'deja vu' scenario from a year ago, where weak RASM results across the industry led to capacity cuts starting mid-August, particularly by low-margin airlines. Published industry domestic capacity for August and September now indicates a slight year-over-year decrease, a significant shift from the previously published almost 4% increase. This supply adjustment, combined with an inflecting demand environment, is expected to create a more favorable revenue backdrop for United.

Demand Inflection and Macroeconomic Certainty

After a period of demand being about 5 points weaker in the first half of the year than initially expected due to high macroeconomic uncertainty, United observed a meaningful positive inflection in demand over the last three weeks of Q2. This shift, attributed to factors like the passage of the reconciliation bill, stabilized geopolitical situation in the Middle East, and clearer tariff outlook, resulted in a 6-point positive swing in July sales versus Q2. Notably, higher-yielding business revenues saw a double-digit swing, and domestic ticket sales are now showing positive year-over-year yields for the first time since February, indicating a return towards normal trend lines.

Strategic Focus on Premium Products and Connectivity

United plans to further lean into premium products and capacity, including the introduction of the Polaris Studio Suite later this year and an expansion of the Premium Plus cabin, which has shown very good returns. The new 787-9 aircraft will feature 99 premium seats (Polaris plus Premium Plus). The company is also focused on building domestic connectivity at its hubs and utilizing larger gauge narrow-body jets like MAX 9s and A321neos, which inherently increase premium seat mix, to narrow the margin gap between domestic and international flying. Collaborations like the Blue Sky partnership with JetBlue and the planned return to JFK in 2027 are also key to enhancing brand presence and customer offerings.

Balance Sheet Strengthening and Capital Allocation

United ended Q2 FY25 with $18.6 billion in liquidity, including a $3 billion undrawn revolver, and generated over $1.1 billion in free cash flow. The company paid down the remaining $1.5 billion balance of its MileagePlus bonds two years early on July 7, fully unencumbering the MileagePlus business and increasing unencumbered assets to over $40 billion. This prepayment contributed to a gross debt reduction of almost $11 billion since the COVID peak, with the average cost of debt now at 4.7%. United repurchased $235 million worth of shares at an average price of $66 during the quarter, with $829 million remaining authorization, while targeting net leverage below 2x and working towards an investment-grade rating.

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