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Virtuoso Optoel. — Q4 FY25 earnings call

Call held 4 Jun 2025

Management summary

Virtuoso Optoelectronics reported strong FY25 sales growth of 32.5% to ₹702 crores, driven by robust CAGR across key financial metrics over five years. The company is actively diversifying into new verticals like freezers and compressors, with significant capacity expansions underway for ACs and new product lines. While FY25 PAT was impacted by deferred tax provisions, management expects EBITDA margins of 8.5-9% for FY26. Concerns include a potentially softer AC season and current single-digit ROE due to ongoing investments.

Highlights

Year-on-year sales grew 32.5% in FY25, reaching ₹702 crores.
Overall company revenue CAGR was 43% over the last five years, with EBITDA growing 37% CAGR and PBT 58% CAGR.
Commercial production of freezers started in Q4 FY25, targeting ₹100-150 crores revenue in FY26.
AC capacity is expanding to 1 million sets (ODU/IDU) by August/September 2025 to meet higher demand.
Entered compressor business with commercial production expected in Q3 FY26, tying up with Jiaxipera and Huayi as exclusive manufacturing partners for India.

Concerns

PAT growth in FY25 appeared lower due to a high deferred tax provision, resulting in a tax percentage of 78%.
June demand for ACs is softer due to early monsoon, potentially leading to a flattish or 2-3% negative growth for the overall AC industry this year.
ROE remains in single digits, attributed by management to significant investments in new projects that are yet to yield full results.

Key financials

3 periods

Headline

Revenue
₹702 Cr
YoY +32.5%
EBITDA CAGR (5 years)
37%
PBT CAGR (5 years)
58%
PAT CAGR (5 years)
48%

Q4 FY25

Freezer Revenue
₹6 Cr

FY25

Tax Percentage
78%

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 86.0%, net profit up 27.5% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly

Line item	Q4 FY24	Q2 FY25	Q4 FY25	Q1 FY26	Q2 FY26	Q3 FY26	Q4 FY26	Q1 FY27
Revenue	293	310	240	202	97 −67%	205 −34%	331 +38%	375 +86%
Expenses	264	285	221	182	86	182	303	344
EBITDA	28	25	19	20	11 −61%	23 −9%	28 +50%	32 +64%
Margin	10%	8%	8%	10%	11%	11%	8%	9%
Other income	1	4	1	1	1	0	2	1
Interest	10	11	8	8	8	7	10	12
Depreciation	10	5	3	4	5	5	12	9
Profit before tax	9	12	8	9	-1 −111%	11 −12%	7 −6%	12 +37%
Tax rate	23%	31%	68%	26%	225%	33%	25%	31%
Net profit	7	9	2	7	-3 −147%	7 −22%	5 +122%	8 +28%
EPS	2.92	3.76	0.83	2.23	-1.09	2.28	1.72	2.64

How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

Segment	Share of Overall Revenue (FY26 Target)	EBITDA Margin (Guidance)	Revenue (FY26 Target)
AC Business	60%	7%	—
Refrigeration (Freezer & Dispenser)	10%	10%	₹100 Cr
EMS & Lighting	10%	12%	₹150 Cr
Components & New Products	—	—	₹50 Cr

Capital allocation

high confidence

Capex ₹250 Cr
- Compressor business ₹50 Cr
- Freezer business (already invested) ₹50 Cr
- AC capacity addition and backward integration ₹50 Cr
- Component business ₹20 Cr
- Washing machine ₹15 Cr
- Backward integration (remaining) ₹15 Cr
So roughly to give you a rough breakup, about ₹50 crores is going to go in compressors. ₹50 crores to ₹60 crores is already been invested in the freezer business. ₹50 crores, we are investing roughly in AC. AC, I mean capacity addition and also increase in backward integration. About 20 crores has gone towards the component business. And the remaining 30 crores has gone towards, I mean, out of remaining *30 crores, about ₹15 crores is going towards washing machine. And I mean, the remaining ₹15 crores, I will have to check the breakup, but it'll mostly go for backward integration, but that is a rough breakup.
Debt Debt disclosed Cost 8.8%

Correct. So because we discount our invoices, cost of debt is about 8.75% to 9%. But because we are discounting invoices, factoring invoices, supplying customer invoices, which is why it adds to the interest cost.

Guidance & targets

Revenue

Overall Revenue Revenue · current financial year (FY26) · Medium confidence ₹900-1,000 crores

But as of now, we believe that we will achieve our target of about ₹1,000 crores. If the season is a little soft, then maybe between ₹900 crores and ₹1,000 crores, if the season goes well, then, ₹1,100 crores is what we are looking at for the current financial year.

— Sukrit Bharati
Overall Revenue (Optimistic) Revenue · current financial year (FY26) · Medium confidence ₹1,100 crores

— Sukrit Bharati
Refrigeration Revenue Revenue · this year (FY26) · High confidence ₹100-150 crores

We are looking at a revenue of ₹100 crores to ₹150 crores at the capacity utilisation of roughly 60% to 70%.

— Sukrit Bharati

Profitability

EBITDA Margin Profitability · current financial year (FY26) · High confidence 8.5-9%

We are still expecting the EBITDA margins to be about 8.5% to 9% in the current financial year.

— Sukrit Bharati
EBITDA Margin Profitability · next financial year (FY27) · High confidence >9%

And next year onwards, I think this should start being more than 9%, considering a better product mix.

— Sukrit Bharati
PAT Margin Profitability · this year (FY26) · High confidence 2.5-3%

Between 2.5% and 3%, yes.

— Sukrit Bharati

Capacity

AC Set Capacity (ODU/IDU) Capacity · August or September this year (2025) · High confidence 1 million

So overall, we will have a set capacity of 1 million by probably August or September this year.

— Sukrit Bharati
ODU Capacity Capacity · August or September this year (2025) · High confidence 1 million

From 800,000 today

we are increasing ODU capacity from 800,000 to 1 million and ODU from 400,000 to 1 million also. So overall, we will have a set capacity of 1 million by probably August or September this year.

— Sukrit Bharati
IDU Capacity Capacity · August or September this year (2025) · High confidence 1 million

From 400,000 today

— Sukrit Bharati

Capacity Utilization

Freezer Capacity Utilization Capacity Utilization · end of this financial year (FY26) · High confidence 60-70%

And freezer capacity, of course, we will start increasing the capacity towards the end of this year, once we reach at least a 60%, 70% utilisation of the current capacity of 150K. So that is the pipeline, but the major CapEx will start for that, once we hit a capacity utilisation of 60%, 70%, which we are hoping to do by the end of this financial year.

— Sukrit Bharati

Product Mix

AC Business Share Product Mix · end of this year (FY26) · High confidence 65-70%

From 75% today

So, the ratio between the AC business and other businesses has, so the balance has improved. We are now 75% against 80% on AC percent of the overall share. And we believe by end of this year, we will be at a 65% to 70% coming from AC and the rest coming from other businesses.

— Sukrit Bharati

Tax Rate

Tax Rate Tax Rate · this year (FY26) · High confidence 30-32%

From 78% today

This year will be 30%, 32% I mean not more than that.

— Sukrit Bharati

PLI Benefit

PLI Benefit Accrual PLI Benefit · this year (FY26) · High confidence ₹15-20 crores

From ₹6 crores today

And this year, we are expecting to accrue ₹15 crores to ₹20 crores of the PLI benefit.

— Sukrit Bharati

What to watch in Q1 FY26

AC demand in Q2/Q3 FY26

next quarter

Current June demand softer due to rains

Target Improved demand in Q2/Q3 to offset Q1 softness

Why it matters

AC business is a major revenue driver, and demand recovery is crucial for achieving FY26 revenue targets.

Difficult to say because it's a little unpredictable, but the normal sense is that if the season is not so strong, then the season generally runs deeper. So that is the hope, but difficult to comment what exactly happens in Q2.

Risks & concerns

Softer AC season due to early monsoon
medium

June demand for ACs is softer, potentially leading to a flattish or 2-3% negative growth for the overall AC industry this year.

Management acknowledged
Single-digit ROE
medium

ROE is currently in single digits, but management expects it to be double-digit next FY as new investments start yielding results.

Analyst acknowledged
Competition from Chinese dumping products
medium

Chinese dumping can make competition difficult, but high in-house value addition (70-80%) and product market fit are strategies to compete.

Analyst acknowledged
Uncertainty regarding BIS extension for compressors
medium

Compressor margins depend on whether the government extends BIS beyond next year, as non-extension would improve local margins.

Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

7 direct

Impact of early monsoon on AC demand and FY26 growth outlook Partial

Difficult to say because it's a little unpredictable, but the normal sense is that if the season is not so strong, then the season generally runs deeper. So that is the hope, but difficult to comment what exactly happens in Q2. But let's hope for the best. I don't think it will be a major hit. But yes, if you are anticipating a 15%, 20% growth year-on-year, maybe it will be a flattish year or maybe 2%, 3% negative.

Management acknowledges potential slowdown in AC demand for FY26 due to weather, providing a cautious outlook for the year's growth.

Asked by Garvit Goyal

Single-digit ROE despite CapEx-intensive business and plans for improvement Direct

I think next FY, we should be in double-digit. Actually, a lot of investment that we are doing now are yet to start giving results or sufficient results because they are in the early phases. By next year, these projects will be in an active running state. And that is why we believe ROE will improve.

Addresses a key investor concern about low ROE, explaining it as a lag effect of new investments and projecting improvement in the next fiscal year as projects mature.

Asked by Bhuvaneswaran

Strategy for competing with Chinese products given potential dumping Direct

No. So products where value addition of 70%, 75%, 80% is in-house. In such cases, for us to compete with China is becoming still more possible. There are two gaps when we're doing business with China. One is, of course, their product market fit for that category or that region, sorry. If for that region, they have a perfect product perfectly priced, then it becomes more difficult for us to meet it.

Explains the competitive strategy against Chinese imports, focusing on high in-house value addition and product market fit for local conditions, which is crucial for long-term sustainability.

Asked by Sriram Ramadas

Cost incurred for compressor technology tie-up with Chinese partners Direct

No, we've not paid any sum to them for the technology, we have only paid for the equipment that we have purchased.

Clarifies that the technology tie-up for compressors does not involve direct payment for technology, but rather equipment purchase, indicating a potentially lower initial cost for market entry.

Asked by Siddhanth

Breakdown of the ₹250 crores CapEx planned for FY26 and FY27 Direct

So roughly to give you a rough breakup, about ₹50 crores is going to go in compressors. ₹50 crores to ₹60 crores is already been invested in the freezer business. ₹50 crores, we are investing roughly in AC. AC, I mean capacity addition and also increase in backward integration. About 20 crores has gone towards the component business. And the remaining 30 crores has gone towards, I mean, out of remaining *30 crores, about ₹15 crores is going towards washing machine. And I mean, the remaining ₹15 crores, I will have to check the breakup, but it'll mostly go for backward integration, but that is a rough breakup.

Provides a detailed allocation of the planned capital expenditure across new and existing business segments, offering clarity on growth drivers.

Asked by Kunal Tokas

Explanation for the high deferred tax liabilities and future tax rate expectations Direct

So the entire freezer plant, I mean, because it became operational in Q4 was capitalised in Q4. And that is why the depreciation calculation as per income tax and company's law was different, which is why the provision came into being. And going forward, it will continue to be at the standard 30% odd, but this year was an exception.

Explains the one-time impact of freezer plant capitalization on FY25 tax rate and confirms a return to a normal 30-32% tax rate for FY26, reassuring investors about future profitability.

Asked by Kunal Tokas

Status and timeline for the listing of shares on BSE Direct

We are getting positive feedback from BSE. We are hoping that latest by next week, the process will get completed.

Provides a clear and positive update on the share listing process, indicating imminent completion, which is a significant event for investors.

Asked by Siddhanth

Reason for promoter holding decrease Direct

The warrants got converted to shares. We have not sold any shares that the reduction in promoter holdings is because of increase in the total number of shares in the company.

Clarifies that the decrease in promoter holding is due to warrant conversion, not share sales, addressing potential concerns about promoter confidence.

Asked by Bhuvaneswaran

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Detailed narrative

Q4 FY25 Performance Overview

Virtuoso Optoelectronics Limited reported strong year-on-year sales growth of 32.5% for FY25, closing the fiscal year with a revenue of ₹702 crores. Over the last five years, the company has achieved a revenue CAGR of 43%, with EBITDA growing at 37% CAGR and PBT at 58% CAGR. While PAT growth appeared lower, this was primarily due to a significant deferred tax provision in FY25, resulting in a high tax percentage of 78%. Management expects the tax rate to normalize to 30-32% in FY26.

New Business Verticals & Diversification

The company is actively diversifying its product portfolio. Commercial production of freezers commenced in Q4 FY25, with a revenue target of ₹100-150 crores for FY26, contributing 10-15% to overall revenue. Virtuoso has also entered the compressor business, with commercial production anticipated in Q3 FY26, following machinery installation and customer sampling. The Chennai plant for EPS manufacturing under Virtuoso Polymers is operational, and a new unit for refrigerator components in Sanand is planned to be operational by Q3 FY26. Additionally, plans are in place to start semi-automatic washing machine production by end of Q3 or early Q4 FY26.

Capacity Expansion & Utilization

To support growth, Virtuoso is significantly expanding its AC capacity. ODU capacity is increasing from 800,000 to 1 million units, and IDU capacity from 400,000 to 1 million units, aiming for a total set capacity of 1 million by August or September 2025. This expansion is expected to be fully live by Q3 FY26. Freezer capacity, currently at 150,000 units, is targeted to reach 60-70% utilization by the end of FY26, after which further CapEx for expansion will be initiated. EMS and lighting capacity will also see marginal increases, with significant growth planned for next year to cater to internal PCB/controller board requirements and external customers.

Capital Expenditure Plans

The company has outlined a CapEx plan of approximately ₹250 crores for FY26-FY27. This includes ₹50 crores for the new compressor business, ₹50-60 crores already invested in the freezer business, ₹50 crores for AC capacity addition and backward integration, ₹20 crores for the component business, and ₹15 crores for the washing machine segment, with the remaining ₹15 crores allocated to general backward integration. Management noted that ₹150 crores has already been invested, with another ₹100 crores planned for this year.

Margin Outlook and PLI Benefits

For FY26, Virtuoso expects EBITDA margins to be in the range of 8.5-9%, with a projection of exceeding 9% in FY27 due to an improved product mix. The PAT margin for FY26 is guided at 2.5-3%. The company anticipates accruing ₹15-20 crores in PLI benefits for FY26, an increase from ₹6 crores in the previous year. These PLI benefits are factored into pricing and act as a buffer against potential margin shrinkages. The cost of debt, primarily due to invoice discounting, is currently around 8.75-9%.

Compressor Business Strategy

Virtuoso has partnered with Jiaxipera and Huayi, two Chinese companies, as exclusive manufacturing partners for refrigeration compressors in India. Huayi is a global leader in refrigeration compressors. The company aims to revive the market for these compressors, which previously saw 4-4.5 million units imported before BIS certification expiry. The strategy involves localizing production and focusing on building strong customer relationships. Management indicated that the cost differential between importing and local manufacturing is estimated to be 3-5%.

Share Listing Update

The company provided a positive update on its share listing process on BSE, stating that they are receiving positive feedback and expect the process to be completed by next week. This follows previous delays due to internal approvals at BSE. The paid-up share capital after conversion of warrants is expected to be around ₹29.5-29.6 crores. The reduction in promoter holding is attributed to the conversion of warrants into shares, increasing the total number of shares, rather than any share sales by promoters.

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