Avalon Tech — Q2 FY25 earnings call

Call held 7 Nov 2024

Management summary

Avalon Technologies reported a strong Q2 FY25, with record quarterly revenue and significant improvements in profitability and working capital. The company's strategic shift to optimize US operations by transferring production to India is yielding results, as evidenced by reduced US losses and robust India segment margins. A growing order book and diversified growth engines in both US and India underpin management's confidence in achieving its FY25 revenue growth targets.

Highlights

  • Revenue reached INR 275 crores, marking a 37% YoY and 38% QoQ increase, the highest quarterly revenue.

  • EBITDA grew by 140% YoY to INR 30.1 crores, with EBITDA margin expanding to 11% (up 470 bps YoY).

  • PAT increased by 140% YoY to INR 17.5 crores, achieving a PAT margin of 6.3% (up 273 bps YoY).

  • Gross margins improved from 33% in Q1 FY25 to 37% in Q2 FY25, driven by better product mix.

  • Net working capital days significantly improved by 27 days, from 161 days in March 2024 to 134 days in September 2024.

  • Order book grew by 19.4% YoY to INR 1,485 crores as of September 30, 2024, with an average execution period of 14 months.

  • US manufacturing plant net loss improved to approximately INR 4 crores in Q2 FY25, from INR 14 crores in Q1 FY25.

  • India plant, representing 89% of Q2 FY25 business, maintained high profitability with 13.7% EBITDA margin and 8.7% PAT margin.

Key financials

  1. Revenue ₹275 Cr +37%YoY
  2. Gross Profit ₹101.3 Cr +36%YoY
  3. Gross Margin 36.8% -0.21%YoY
  4. EBITDA ₹30.1 Cr +140%YoY
  5. EBITDA Margin 11% +4.7%YoY
  6. PAT ₹17.5 Cr +140%YoY
  7. PAT Margin 6.3% +2.7%YoY
  8. Net Working Capital Days 134 days
  9. Order Book ₹1,485 Cr +19.4%YoY
  10. Long-term Contracts ₹1,100 Cr +10.2%YoY

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 49.8%, net profit up 150.0% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue275 281 343 323 382 +39%418 +49%480 +40%484 +50%
EBITDA30 35 41 30 39 +30%48 +37%57 +39%58 +93%
Net profit17 24 24 14 25 +47%33 +38%41 +71%35 +150%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

Share of Revenue
₹276 Cr Total
  • US Operations (Q2 FY25) ₹163 Cr 59.1%
  • India Operations (Q2 FY25) ₹113 Cr 40.9%

Guidance & targets

Revenue

  • Revenue Growth Revenue · FY25 · High confidence 16% to 20%
    We are encouraged by the traction across all three growth engines which sustains our confidence in guiding to 16% to 20% revenue growth for FY25.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

  • Double Revenue Revenue · 2-3 years · Medium confidence double
    I believe we intend to do that, and then we should be there.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

Profitability

  • Full Year Gross Margins Profitability · FY25 · Medium confidence 33% and 35%
    We expect the full year gross margins will continue to be between 33% and 35%, considering the expected revenue growth in the second half.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

Working Capital

  • Net Working Capital Days Working Capital · medium term · Medium confidence around 90 days

    From 10-15 days reduction by March 2025 today

    Historically, we have been not at 60 to 70 days, but around 90 days. Our intention is to go towards that direction. It will take some time to get there. But we intend to go there.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

Capex

  • Annual Capex Capex · next two years · High confidence INR 40 crores to INR 45 crores
    We have historically said that we will do INR40 crores to INR45 crores a year because we operate a satellite model. And for the foreseeable couple of years, we see that remaining so.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

US Operations

  • US Manufacturing Production Share US Operations · FY25 · High confidence around 15%
    We anticipate that US manufacturing production will be around 15% for FY25.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

ROCE

  • Return on Capital Employed ROCE · fairly soon · Medium confidence north of 20%
    Historically, ROCEs have been north of 20%. We intend to get there fairly soon.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

Clean Energy

  • Clean Energy Revenue Mix Clean Energy · year-end · Medium confidence 20% and 25%
    So, I believe that we continue the normal thing, and each of the segments are diversified. So we'll be between 20% and 25%, is what we see.

    — MR. KUNHAMED BICHA

Risks & concerns

  • Potential reversal or changes to IRA policies affecting clean energy demand in the US

    medium

    Management clarified that their clean energy focus is on storage, not solar, and they are positioned to serve customers from either the US (for IRA benefits) or India (for cost-effectiveness), mitigating the risk.

    Analyst acknowledged

  • Slower-than-expected ramp-up for new clean energy customers

    low

    Management stated that the clean energy product is tested and approved, with initial units being produced, and the full ramp-up is expected later, but overall growth is broad-based and not solely dependent on this one customer.

    Analyst acknowledged

Q&A highlights

3 direct
ROCE improvement and working capital targets Direct
Historically, ROCEs have been north of 20%. We intend to get there fairly soon. ... Historically, we have been not at 60 to 70 days, but around 90 days. Our intention is to go towards that direction.

This question clarifies the company's ambition for capital efficiency and provides specific targets for ROCE and working capital days, which are crucial for capital-intensive businesses.

Asked by Dhananjai Bagrodia

Sustainability of clean energy growth and IRA impact Direct
A lot of our growth last quarter is in spite of the clean energy business. ... We are not doing solar panels. We are not doing inverters. We are doing storage or home electrification systems where they store energy. ... If he needs the benefits of the IRA, it's going to be in the US. If he needs the cost-effective version of this product coming out of India, without the IRA, we can do that also. So that way, we are covered on both sides.

This addresses a key sector-specific risk regarding potential changes to US clean energy policies (IRA) and clarifies Avalon's diversified approach within clean energy and its flexible manufacturing strategy to mitigate such risks.

Asked by Deepak Krishnan

US operations loss recovery and path to break-even Direct
The businesses we do there, either the customer does not want to move to India, or they are not allowed to move to India, because they could be quasi-military defense type of products, or an IRA-based product. ... We have reduced it today to 11, and I think ideally it will be around 15% of our sales.

This question probes the financial viability of US operations, which have been loss-making, and management's response outlines a clear strategy for optimizing the US footprint to focus on high-margin, strategic products that cannot be moved to India, while reducing its overall revenue share.

Asked by Vikash Agarwal

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Detailed narrative

Strong Q2 FY25 Performance and Profitability Expansion

Avalon Technologies delivered a robust Q2 FY25, achieving its highest quarterly revenue of INR 275 crores, representing a 37% year-over-year and 38% quarter-over-quarter growth. Profitability saw significant improvement, with EBITDA soaring by 140% YoY to INR 30.1 crores, leading to an EBITDA margin of 11%, a 470 basis point expansion. PAT also increased by 140% YoY to INR 17.5 crores, with a PAT margin of 6.3%. Gross margins improved from 33% in Q1 to 37% in Q2, driven by a favorable product mix.

Strategic Optimization of US Operations

The company's strategy to optimize its US manufacturing footprint is showing positive results. Approximately 45%-50% of existing US production has been shifted to India, leading to a decrease in the US revenue share to 11% in Q2 FY25, down from 27% in Q1 FY24. Consequently, the net loss from US operations improved significantly to INR 4 crores in Q2 FY25, a substantial reduction from the INR 14 crores loss reported in Q1 FY25. Management anticipates US manufacturing production to stabilize around 15% for FY25, focusing on high-margin products that cannot be moved to India.

Robust Order Book and Positive Growth Outlook

Avalon's order book demonstrated strong growth, increasing by 19.4% year-over-year to INR 1,485 crores as of September 30, 2024, with an average execution period of 14 months. Additionally, long-term contracts, extending beyond 14 months, grew by 10.2% YoY to INR 1,100 crores. This strong order pipeline underpins management's confidence in guiding to a 16% to 20% revenue growth for FY25, with an ambition to double revenue in the next 2-3 years.

Improved Working Capital Efficiency and Consistent Capex

The company made significant strides in improving its working capital efficiency, with net working capital days reducing by 27 days from 161 days in March 2024 to 134 days in September 2024, primarily due to better inventory management. Management aims to further reduce working capital days to around 90 historically. Capex plans remain consistent, with an anticipated spend of INR 40-45 crores per year for the next two years, maintaining an asset turn ratio of 8-10 times.

Diversified Growth Engines Across Geographies and Sectors

Growth is being driven by three key engines: recovery of existing US customers, new US business wins in industrial, clean energy, and auto sectors, and strong momentum in the Indian market. The Indian business, which constituted 89% of Q2 FY25 revenue, remains highly profitable with a 13.7% EBITDA margin and 8.7% PAT margin, fueled by key wins in industrial, rail, aerospace, and communications sectors. The company's diversified portfolio helps mitigate seasonality and sector-specific slowdowns.

Commitment to Profitable Growth and ROCE Targets

Avalon remains committed to building a business focused on long-term profitable growth, rather than short-term gains. The company expects profit growth to outpace revenue growth due to operating leverage, as most costs aside from material expenses are fixed. Management expressed confidence in returning to historical ROCE levels of 'north of 20%' soon, driven by improving asset turns, reducing working capital, and margin expansion.

Clean Energy Strategy and IRA Resilience

The company clarified its clean energy business focuses on storage and home electrification systems, not solar panels or inverters, a segment growing at 60-70% YoY. Management stated that its growth last quarter was 'in spite of the clean energy business' and that it is not tied to the segment for its overall numbers. Avalon is strategically positioned to serve customers from either the US (to leverage IRA benefits) or India (for cost-effectiveness), providing resilience against potential changes in US clean energy policies. The clean energy mix is expected to be between 20-25% of revenue by year-end.

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