BSE Limited — Q3 FY25 earnings call

Call held 6 Feb 2025

Management summary

BSE reported a strong Q3 FY25 with record revenues and significant profit growth, driven by robust performance in transaction and operational revenues. The company saw substantial growth in its StAR MF platform and primary market listings. However, regulatory changes led to a one-time increase in core SGF contribution and a sharp decline in Bankex derivatives volumes. Management is focused on rebuilding Bankex liquidity, expanding colocation facilities, and addressing challenges in the equity cash segment.

Highlights

  • Consolidated revenues reached a record ₹835.4 crores, marking a 94% increase compared to the previous year's corresponding quarter.

  • Operational revenues surged by 108% YoY to ₹773.5 crores, driven by strong transaction-related income and treasury income.

  • Net profit attributable to shareholders grew by 103% YoY to ₹219.7 crores from ₹108.2 crores.

  • Operating EBITDA increased to ₹236.5 crores, with margins expanding significantly to 31% from 25%.

  • BSE StAR MF achieved record revenues of ₹63.5 crores, a 92% YoY growth, processing 17.99 crores transactions in Q3 FY25.

Concerns

  • Core SGF contribution increased by ₹199 crores due to a new SEBI methodology, impacting operating expenses.

  • Bankex derivatives volumes significantly fell by approximately 95% post-regulatory changes.

  • Delays in implementing the common contract note for the equity cash segment, now extended to March, affecting market share improvement efforts.

  • Uncertainty regarding the future impact and regularity of core SGF contributions due to its non-linear computation.

  • Potential structural changes to the clearing corporation business due to regulatory push for independence and diversified shareholding.

Key financials

  1. Consolidated Revenues ₹835.4 Cr +94%YoY
  2. Operational Revenues ₹773.5 Cr +108%YoY
  3. Transaction Charges ₹511.1 Cr +157%YoY
  4. Operating Expenses ₹567 Cr +86%YoY
  5. Operating EBITDA ₹236.5 Cr
  6. Operating EBITDA Margin 31%
  7. Net Profit Attributable to Shareholders ₹219.7 Cr +103%YoY

What they filed

Q1 FY27: revenue up 63.5%, net profit up 62.3% against the same quarter last year.

₹ Cr · quarterly
Line itemQ2 FY25Q3 FY25Q4 FY25Q1 FY26Q2 FY26Q3 FY26Q4 FY26Q1 FY27
Revenue813 768 847 958 1,068 +31%1,244 +62%1,564 +85%1,566 +63%
EBITDA456 236 484 625 680 +49%732 +210%1,041 +115%1,046 +67%
Net profit346 219 494 538 557 +61%597 +173%795 +61%873 +62%
How to read this

₹ crore, as filed. The percentage beside a figure is the change against the same quarter a year earlier — never the quarter before, which would make every seasonal business look like it collapses and booms each year.

Segment breakdown

  • Primary Market
    ₹20.9 lakh Cr Capital Raised30 New Listings (Q3)₹95,512 Cr Capital Raised (Q3)
  • Cash Market
    ₹6,800 Cr Average Daily Turnover (Q3)
  • Derivatives Segment
    ₹8,758 Cr Average Daily Premium Turnover (Q3)₹564 Cr Single Stock Futures Turnover (since relaunch)₹498 Cr Single Stock Options Turnover (since relaunch)
  • BSE StAR MF
    ₹63.5 Cr Revenues₹17.99 Cr Total Transactions Processed (Q3)₹5.37 Cr Average Transactions per Month (FY25 YTD)₹6.15 Cr Transactions (Dec 2024)

Guidance & targets

Market Development

  • Rebuild Bankex liquidity Market Development · ongoing · Medium confidence Rebuild monthly contract of Bankex
    So, we are confident we will rebuild the monthly contract of Bankex.

    — Sundararaman R.

Infrastructure

  • Colocation facilities expansion Infrastructure · in the days to come · Medium confidence Providing extra colo space
    As you know, we are working on providing extra colo space, and we are in the process of implementation. And as we do really understand the need of colo racks for the market and their importance of colo racks for the market participants, we are in the process of providing in the days to come as and when the complete our colo, we will be releasing it so that the market benefits from that.

    — Sundararaman R.

Market Share

  • Equity cash segment market share Market Share · future · Low confidence See better light for BSE
    With these 2 things happening, we feel equity market segment will see better light for BSE.

    — Sundararaman R.

Product Development

  • AIPL index launches Product Development · before year-end · High confidence Launching more indices and expanding factor/broad market family
    The company has launched 15 indices in the ongoing financial year and is focusing on launching more indices and expanding the factor family of indices and broad market family of indices before the year-end towards.

    — Sundararaman R.

What to watch in Q4 FY25

Bankex liquidity rebuilding

next quarter
Current Volumes down ~95%
Target Signs of liquidity rebuilding and increased trading activity in Bankex contracts

Why it matters

Rebuilding Bankex liquidity is crucial for the derivatives segment's growth and profitability after significant volume decline.

While these are all still early days, we remain committed to further improve market efficiency and trading dynamics for the benefit of all market participants, while Sensex contracts continue to remain liquid, BSE is committed to rebuilding liquidity in its Bankex contracts.

Risks & concerns

  • Decline in Bankex derivatives volumes

    high

    Bankex volumes have significantly fallen by approximately 95% post-regulatory changes, requiring efforts to rebuild liquidity.

    Management acknowledged

  • Potential demerger of clearing corporations

    high

    Regulatory thought process aims for independent clearing corporations with diversified shareholding, which could impact BSE's current revenue model from its clearing and settlement business.

    Analyst acknowledged

  • Increased market volatility and geopolitical tensions

    medium

    The last quarter of 2024 saw signs of increased market volatility, global fragility, and ongoing uncertainty over geopolitical tensions and macro challenges.

    Management acknowledged

  • Impact of new SEBI SGF computation methodology

    medium

    New methodology for Minimum Required Corpus (MRC) for Equity Derivatives segment led to a one-time contribution of ₹199 crores to core SGF, and future contributions are difficult to project due to non-linear computation.

    Management acknowledged

  • Delays in common contract note implementation

    medium

    Implementation of common contract note, crucial for secondary market volumes, has been delayed multiple times, now to March, affecting efforts to improve equity cash segment market share.

    Management acknowledged

Q&A highlights

6 direct
Core SGF contribution and Bankex/Sensex volumes post SEBI recommendations Direct
As far as core SGF is concerned, as you would be aware, SEBI came out with a recent circular dated October 1, 2024. Basically, it enhances the stress testing framework for equity derivatives. Under that it defines a minimum required corpus. This computation methodology has actually three stress test models... the net core SGF requirement, which we needed to provide for this quarter came to around Rs. 199 crores, of which Rs. 147 crores were to be contributed by ICCL and Rs. 53 crores were to be contributed by BSE... the overall volumes in Bankex have significantly fallen down almost by around 95%. Sensex notional volumes have fallen down marginally, and premium volumes have almost remained stable for most of the part and is showing an increasing tendency because of the activity we see on non-expiry days owing to the change in the expiry day.

Explains the reason for the significant increase in core SGF contribution and the immediate impact of regulatory changes on derivative trading volumes.

Asked by Vivek Patel

Future SGF contributions and potential clearing corporation demerger Partial
In terms of core SGF, you may recall, we have always been telling that the core SGF computation is dependent on a multiple number of factors making itself unamenable to a linear extrapolation... On clearing and settlement business, it is very early days. There is a consultation paper available. If you look at the principle, which is guiding the regulatory thought process in respect of clearing and settlement... it has to be very independent. That is the direction in which the regulators are thinking. So, when you say independent, the shareholding should be such a passion that it makes it independent.

Addresses the non-linear nature of SGF calculation making future projections difficult and discusses the regulatory intent behind potential clearing corporation demerger, which could impact BSE's revenue stream.

Asked by Prayesh Jain

Increasing market share in the equity cash segment Direct
For us, one of the most important requirements from an institutional front is common contract note... The second is the retail volumes. Today, notwithstanding all the regulatory directive and intentions to ensure a level playing field on the capability of the client to choose the best price for execution, the software provided by the systems and front ends provided by many of the market participants are far from being satisfactory. We are working with every one of them... In respect of the differentiation in the charging structure, I will certainly consider this.

Outlines the key strategies (common contract note, improved software for best price execution) and potential new charging structures to boost BSE's equity cash market share.

Asked by Sudarshan

Improving premium quality, FPI onboarding, and data rack capacity utilization Direct
The percentage of volume traded of Sensex derivatives on expiry day has consistently fallen down and the other days, including the next day of expiry i.e. E-4 days, if I were to call has significantly increased. In fact, on many days from what the past numbers were, I find it 4x to 5x more... FPI participation is 5%. Many of the FPIs, who have converted themselves as brokers in India, one by one, they are also taking registration with BSE... we do have a big waiting list. As you know, we are working on providing extra colo space, and we are in the process of implementation.

Provides updates on the success of efforts to improve derivatives premium quality, FPI engagement, and the ongoing plans to expand colocation facilities to meet demand.

Asked by Sudarshan

Clarification on the SGF contribution amount and future implications Direct
The new MRC difference came for us to Rs. 481 crores. And in that, we have already been permitted a onetime transfer of excess funds from equity cash segment to the equity derivatives segment... the resultant balance, which we needed to provide for, was around Rs. 199 crores. Roughly, you can take it as Rs. 200 crores of that, Rs. 150 crores was to come from ICCL and Rs. 50 crores had to come from BSE, which we have done.

Clarifies the exact SGF contribution for the quarter, distinguishing between the total required increase and the net amount contributed by BSE after permitted transfers.

Asked by Devesh Agarwal

Plans for colocation facilities and monetization Direct
Already, as we have started monetizing the colo to the extent of racks rent, which is competitive rent now... we are not charging anything in a meaningful way, very, very small token of a charge is what we have introduced... we started with almost no colo facility with hardly any the number of racks with us. And subsequently, we had a significantly large number of racks, almost the total rack, the total now, which we have crossing somewhere around 200, 220 racks is what we currently have. Is that a good number or a sufficient number? No. We do have a big waiting list. As you know, we are working on providing extra colo space, and we are in the process of implementation.

Details the current status of colocation facilities, the monetization strategy, and the ongoing efforts to expand capacity to meet high demand.

Asked by Devesh Agarwal

Operating leverage from stable premium turnover despite lower contracts Direct
As you rightly observed, we if you look at the total number of contracts and the average notional daily turnover they have consistently -- they have fallen down compared to the previous quarter. If you look at it in Q2 FY '25, my average daily notional turnover of around Rs. 128 lakh crores basically. It has come down to Rs. 105 lakh crores in the last quarter, whereas the average daily premium has marginally gone up from Rs. 8,203 crores to be precise to Rs. 8,758 crores, it has gone up. So, in this process of premium improvement, what happens is one is the quality of premium is going up with lesser number of contracts. Second is, therefore, the clearing and settlement charges and the regulatory fee, which are based on a number of contracts traded they come down. That is the way it is benefiting us.

Explains how the shift towards higher quality premium turnover, despite fewer contracts, leads to operational benefits through reduced clearing and settlement charges and regulatory fees.

Asked by Sanidhya

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Detailed narrative

Q3 FY25 Financial Performance Highlights

BSE reported its highest-ever quarterly revenues on a consolidated basis, reaching ₹835.4 crores, a 94% increase year-on-year. Operational revenues also saw a significant jump of 108% to ₹773.5 crores from ₹371.5 crores in the previous year. This strong revenue growth translated into a 103% increase in net profit attributable to shareholders, which stood at ₹219.7 crores, up from ₹108.2 crores. The operating EBITDA expanded to ₹236.5 crores, with margins improving to 31% from 25% in the corresponding quarter last year.

Impact of SEBI Regulations on Core SGF

Operating expenses for the quarter grew by 86% to ₹567 crores, primarily due to a higher contribution to the core Settlement Guarantee Fund (SGF) amounting to ₹199 crores. This increase, accounting for 35% of total operating expenses, is a direct result of a new SEBI circular dated October 3, 2024, which introduced a new methodology for computing the Minimum Required Corpus (MRC) for the Equity Derivatives segment. The net core SGF requirement for the quarter was ₹199 crores, with ₹147 crores contributed by ICCL and ₹53 crores by BSE, facilitated by a one-time inter-segment fund transfer.

Derivatives Segment Performance and Challenges

The BSE Derivatives segment recorded its highest-ever average daily premium turnover of ₹8,758 crores for the quarter. However, following regulatory changes, Bankex volumes significantly declined by approximately 95%, while Sensex notional volumes marginally fell. Despite this, premium volumes remained stable and showed an increasing tendency on non-expiry days. BSE is committed to rebuilding liquidity in its Bankex contracts and continues to upgrade its trading systems to enhance efficiency and risk management capabilities.

BSE StAR MF's Continued Growth

BSE StAR MF delivered another quarter of record performance, with revenues growing 92% year-on-year to ₹63.5 crores. The platform processed a total of 17.99 crores transactions in Q3 FY25, a 39% increase from 10.99 crores in the prior year. On average, the platform processed 5.37 crores transactions per month in the current financial year, compared to 3.21 crores last year, with a new high of 6.15 crores transactions in December 2024. BSE continues to invest in StAR MF for scalability and functionality improvements.

Primary Market and Listing Activity

BSE platforms remained a preferred choice for Indian companies to raise capital, facilitating ₹20.9 lakh crores through various instruments. In Q3 FY25, BSE welcomed 30 new listings, raising a record ₹95,512 crores, which is a 261% increase year-on-year. The IPO market remains healthy with 108 active applications, indicating a strong pipeline for future listings. BSE continues to promote high standards of corporate governance and disclosure practices among listed issuers.

Regulatory Landscape and Future Outlook

The company acknowledged the ongoing discussion around the potential demerger of clearing corporations, noting that regulators aim for independent entities with diversified shareholding to prevent monopoly and concentration risks. While the impact on BSE's revenue stream is uncertain, management views it as an early-stage process. Delays in the implementation of the common contract note, now extended to March, continue to affect efforts to improve market share in the equity cash segment, which management believes is crucial for a level playing field.

Colocation Facilities and Subsidiary Developments

BSE is actively working on providing additional colocation space to address a significant waiting list, currently having around 200-220 racks. While rack rent is being monetized, charges for order flow are minimal, with plans to increase them when the market is ready. Asia Index Private Limited (AIPL) launched 15 new indices in the current financial year and plans to launch more before year-end. India INX, BSE's subsidiary at GIFT City, expanded its product offerings with the launch of Sensex derivatives contracts on February 3, 2025, aiming to attract international investors.

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